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Alicia's avatar

Heading over to read the Milone piece next; that story is so bonkers.

My response to the Andrew Tate stuff: get all these young men (and women and all of us) offline. I’m a parent and it is hard and Lord knows we use too many screens (here I type online) but if we want “real men” and “real women” we have to live in the real world. People young and old can see actually real men and real women in the real world and then make judgements about whom to emulate. Ed’s point about this online masculinity and pornography as two sides of the same coin is so apt. It’s all fake. Even the lingo (“cuck”, “beta”etc) is meaningless away from the world of online personas and memes. Andrew Tate is no one except online and if you log off, thank goodness, you never have to encounter him in any way.

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Michael's avatar

Andrew Tate is basically Jeff Epstein but with 1) a social media presence and 2) a willingness to brag about his crimes. All the people demanding the Epstein Files be made public would have been feting Jeff as a martyr if he'd gone on a podcast and said "Feminism is cancer."

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