I’m not an expert. I’m not a Theologian. I’m just a simple person trying to live out my Catholic faith with the Church that Jesus founded. If these leaders don’t like the rules- why don’t they become Protestant? There are many denominations that have all these things these bishops are looking for.
Christ yesterday, Christ today, Christ forever. The doctrines of the Church founded by Christ cannot be changed by man, or a couple “princes of the Church.”
The German experience with the Synodal process is why I view the worldwide Synod with great skepticism.
Pope Francis has in the past underlined these issues with a 'don't worry to much' attitude which reflects the part of the Holy Spirit in guarding Deposit of faith. The value in documenting the issues we struggle with now in the Church will no doubt serve as samples of the process. Ideas foment and the authority of the Church, the Rock, eventually decrees. There's nothing new under the sun. (Ecc 1:9)
Even assuming that Pope Francis disagrees with the "positions" taken by Hollerich, Marx, and the Synodal Path (btw, the demands of journalistic evenhandedness notwithstanding, it seems funny to me to refer to ostensibly nonchangeable church doctrine simply as the Church's "established positions"), there seems to be little evidence that he feels responding to them, much less decisively correcting them, is a priority. (And we all know he can do such things when he puts his mind to it.) This piece of analysis sees a conflict in the offing—moments of decisive break, etc. What if no such moment arrives? It definitely seems like a possibility.
On another note, this analysis suggests that Hollerich's statements threaten to disrupt the synod by alienating African and Asian bishops. Is this based on conversations with those African and Asian bishops or with curial officials worried about that eventuality? It would be an interesting thing to see some specific reporting on.
Well done analysis, cogent and comprehensive, I even learned a new phrase "Overton Window" very interesing---thanks for the link. Keep up the great work. I also really like the format of being able to get more information on the stories that interest me the most. Stay stong gentlemen as I think things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
"For the most part, they’ve managed to be outspoken against Catholic doctrine or discipline without losing voice, influence, or at least attention."
This is the heart of the problem. These cardinals are able to be outspoken AGAINST Catholic doctrine and nonetheless retain their positions and power. That kind of security and impunity seems to be, well, an odious form of clericalism. Definitely not as egregious as sexual abuse but certainly harmful. And the Chair of Peter has not spoken with the clarity nor the urgency needed to stop it.
Given the current papacy and the causes of the mess we're in, i.e. papalotry and ultramontanism, "sub petro" must be used carefully and with nuance. God help us!
The German bishops, and Cardinal Hollerich are a scandal on the Church. I have a hard time envisioning how they will explain their stewardship of the Church to God himself in the course of their particular judgement.
I’m not an expert. I’m not a Theologian. I’m just a simple person trying to live out my Catholic faith with the Church that Jesus founded. If these leaders don’t like the rules- why don’t they become Protestant? There are many denominations that have all these things these bishops are looking for.
Just don't start saying the Latin Mass with out permission. . .
Christ yesterday, Christ today, Christ forever. The doctrines of the Church founded by Christ cannot be changed by man, or a couple “princes of the Church.”
The German experience with the Synodal process is why I view the worldwide Synod with great skepticism.
Pope Francis has in the past underlined these issues with a 'don't worry to much' attitude which reflects the part of the Holy Spirit in guarding Deposit of faith. The value in documenting the issues we struggle with now in the Church will no doubt serve as samples of the process. Ideas foment and the authority of the Church, the Rock, eventually decrees. There's nothing new under the sun. (Ecc 1:9)
Even assuming that Pope Francis disagrees with the "positions" taken by Hollerich, Marx, and the Synodal Path (btw, the demands of journalistic evenhandedness notwithstanding, it seems funny to me to refer to ostensibly nonchangeable church doctrine simply as the Church's "established positions"), there seems to be little evidence that he feels responding to them, much less decisively correcting them, is a priority. (And we all know he can do such things when he puts his mind to it.) This piece of analysis sees a conflict in the offing—moments of decisive break, etc. What if no such moment arrives? It definitely seems like a possibility.
On another note, this analysis suggests that Hollerich's statements threaten to disrupt the synod by alienating African and Asian bishops. Is this based on conversations with those African and Asian bishops or with curial officials worried about that eventuality? It would be an interesting thing to see some specific reporting on.
Well done analysis, cogent and comprehensive, I even learned a new phrase "Overton Window" very interesing---thanks for the link. Keep up the great work. I also really like the format of being able to get more information on the stories that interest me the most. Stay stong gentlemen as I think things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.
"For the most part, they’ve managed to be outspoken against Catholic doctrine or discipline without losing voice, influence, or at least attention."
This is the heart of the problem. These cardinals are able to be outspoken AGAINST Catholic doctrine and nonetheless retain their positions and power. That kind of security and impunity seems to be, well, an odious form of clericalism. Definitely not as egregious as sexual abuse but certainly harmful. And the Chair of Peter has not spoken with the clarity nor the urgency needed to stop it.
St. Joseph, Pray for Us!
Given the current papacy and the causes of the mess we're in, i.e. papalotry and ultramontanism, "sub petro" must be used carefully and with nuance. God help us!
The German bishops, and Cardinal Hollerich are a scandal on the Church. I have a hard time envisioning how they will explain their stewardship of the Church to God himself in the course of their particular judgement.