So some lay people threw a tantrum, and now they get to run the whole show? What??? One can only pray that either the bishops find some spare spines lying around in their closets somewhere, or else Rome abrogates this whole fiasco and tells them to try again.
So tiring. These people would effectively destroy the Church and render it incoherent. If you’re listening for the “Spirit” to say the opposite of what it’s said over the past 2,000 years, you’re certainly not listening for the Holy Spirit.
"There was a clear pushback - coming from women participants - to say the Church is about service, everything is service, and instead what’s being talked about [in the motions] is who gets to be in charge of this or that,” the participant said."
It is so refreshing to hear this! So much debate about who gets to stand near the altar and too little debate about who gets to wash the feet of the poor.
How crazy. we have a large gathering to discuss things, then vote. then those that don't like the vote get to complain. Sounds like many groups I have been a part of.
Perhaps it could be useful to teach people what “The Spirit” does, instead of placing the action of the Spirit under a vague nebulous umbrella, which is really progressivism in disguise. I read somewhere that “the Spirit leads into all truth.” Some guy named John was involved in its writing. I dunno!
Ps, why doesn’t the Spirit ever seem to say to these gatherings, “perhaps 2000 years of tradition is worth paying attention to”
Twenty years ago, after deciding not to enter the seminary, I took some theology and spirituality classes at the institute attached to the seminary. What I discovered was that there were a lot of lay Catholics who were willing to give up several nights a week plus weekend study time, despite having some fundamental axes to grind on the big ticket items of moral theology and Church dogma. I can’t help but feel that the Plenary Council has been pitched - deliberately or otherwise - in such a way that these sorts of people thought they might finally “be heard”.
Sadly, the agenda was dominated by governance issues - instead of focusing on the pastoral challenges facing our church, it devolved to a power grab by the new Catholic elite. The agenda was manipulated from the very beginning to serve the interest of these elite few.
So some lay people threw a tantrum, and now they get to run the whole show? What??? One can only pray that either the bishops find some spare spines lying around in their closets somewhere, or else Rome abrogates this whole fiasco and tells them to try again.
So tiring. These people would effectively destroy the Church and render it incoherent. If you’re listening for the “Spirit” to say the opposite of what it’s said over the past 2,000 years, you’re certainly not listening for the Holy Spirit.
"There was a clear pushback - coming from women participants - to say the Church is about service, everything is service, and instead what’s being talked about [in the motions] is who gets to be in charge of this or that,” the participant said."
It is so refreshing to hear this! So much debate about who gets to stand near the altar and too little debate about who gets to wash the feet of the poor.
How crazy. we have a large gathering to discuss things, then vote. then those that don't like the vote get to complain. Sounds like many groups I have been a part of.
Perhaps it could be useful to teach people what “The Spirit” does, instead of placing the action of the Spirit under a vague nebulous umbrella, which is really progressivism in disguise. I read somewhere that “the Spirit leads into all truth.” Some guy named John was involved in its writing. I dunno!
Ps, why doesn’t the Spirit ever seem to say to these gatherings, “perhaps 2000 years of tradition is worth paying attention to”
Twenty years ago, after deciding not to enter the seminary, I took some theology and spirituality classes at the institute attached to the seminary. What I discovered was that there were a lot of lay Catholics who were willing to give up several nights a week plus weekend study time, despite having some fundamental axes to grind on the big ticket items of moral theology and Church dogma. I can’t help but feel that the Plenary Council has been pitched - deliberately or otherwise - in such a way that these sorts of people thought they might finally “be heard”.
Lord, protect us from sheep and shepards with An Agenda.
Sadly, the agenda was dominated by governance issues - instead of focusing on the pastoral challenges facing our church, it devolved to a power grab by the new Catholic elite. The agenda was manipulated from the very beginning to serve the interest of these elite few.