Blah, blah, blah! Nothing more than feminist whining and true to to form the bishops cowered. So now I really wonder if the Holy Spirit was actually present considering one of the gifts of the spirit is fortitude.
Sorry., the date stamp says 2022, but the article I read sounds like it was written in 1972. I'm sorry to see that the iconoclastic narcissists are also alive and well on the Australian Catholic Church.
At least in the way that these phrases are written, there is so much room to mean practically anything. For example, the one on general absolution. What constitutes an occasion when it is particularly appropriate? The way the Church teaches it now is that it is available on the occasions where it is particularly appropriate. As in I hope I never have to give it.
Maybe there's another document where it is spelled out more specifically, but in the PDF provided, it's just the paragraph that Luke gives in the article.
On the other hand, let's look at the point on youth ministry. You want a strategy to promote "the rich variety of spiritual and devotional traditions of the Church" to the youth? Bring them to a Latin Mass. Teach them Gregorian chant. All the novenas. I'd love to be that guy to suggest those implementations.
Look guys, this conversation could go on and on. The truth is we are all on the same page thinking our take is the most correct.. and perhaps it is. But the MOST important thing is unity. Jesus IS THE LOVE OF THE FATHER. How is that possible? Only God knows the deepest reality of what it means and the Church has tried to convey that to us Catholics and to the world. The Trinity is mystery and we humans will never fully grasp what that means until we die. Jesus is the Love of the Father in human flesh( the first born of the Father) a real human being with all that goes with it but he is divine because he comes from the Father. We will never be able to fully explain this mystery in this world
There is very little, if anything, in this synodal output which gives hope. It is classic Nu-Church waffle, endlessly talking about the same things, over and over again, as if we will somehow arrive at a different answer. It is the sign of a Church which has lost its way and forgotten it's purpose. A Church which is operating more like a secular corporation, than the Spotless Bride of Christ.
The secular concerns which motivate so much of the responses, especially regarding women, are obvious. The women (and others) who bang on perpetually about the nonsense of women's ordination (despite the matter being definitively resolved) are wholly unsuited to any kind of leadership position. Their religion is all about themselves, whereas leadership positions are fundamentally positions of service to others, not positions of privilege or status. There is a certain kind of woman who - no matter the environment: be it Church, politics, the workplace etc - offers nothing beyond talking about herself and moaning about her lot. It is a shame that time and resources are wasted giving such people a platform.
I live in Scotland, UK, and the responses in our diocese here were similar fodder. Meaningless tripe born of a secular mindset. Most sincerely, I could have written up the responses myself in advance and saved everyone the bother. The usual "women this, women that" (as in Australia) and "inclusion" (i.e. tolerate homosexuality). To my great amazement (and delight) the Archdiocese of St Andrews & Edinburgh curtly dismissed these, noting the issue of women's ordination is resolved and that the notions of inclusion are vague and seeming born of secular concerns.
The points on Catechesis get close, but ultimately miss the mark. It is true modern Catechesis is very poor and must improve. But we don't need "working groups" on this (the main point of which is to give certain people a platform - of course). The Church already knows how to properly form Catholics. The trouble is, it doesn't. The Church already has great Catechisms. The trouble is, it doesn't use them.
The things the Church should be concentrating on are:
(i) good, traditional Catechesis, using tried and tested solid Catechisms (eg Council of Trent & the various versions of the Baltimore Catechisms).
(ii) a restoration of the liturgy. Even if some are bizarrely resistant to the traditional Mass (which I attend and highly recommend), the novus ordo Mass could be significantly improved. What is served up liturgically in most parishes is slop. Banal protestant style worship. Making the novus ordo resemble what Vatican II called for would be a big improvement, as would getting rid of all the non-Catholic practices which were subsequently introduced through disobedience (most especially communion in the hand).
(iii) rediscovering a sense of purpose. The modern Church is so wishy-washy. Our Lord asked that His Church "go and teach all nations". Does that sound like the effete talking shop we have today? No. Stop wasting time on bogus synods - as if, after 2,000 years, we have no clue what the Church should be doing and how. And, with the exception of the Eastern Orthodox communities, stop wasting time on ecumenism - fruitless nonsense which only seeks to dignify heretics. It's produced nothing in 50 years, all the while most major protestant groups have moved ever further away from Christianity - given they are led by secular society, not Jesus Christ. Let's get the finger out.
If you want to see what energetic, serious Catholicism is, look at the SSPX - which recently passed the 700 priests mark. What an amazing success story the Society has been, despite every effort and dirty trick to hamstring and derail it. While the mainstream Church is talking about women's ordination (again), the Society is forming excellent priests, forming solid Catholics and winning converts.
In my opinion the ongoing success of the Society is a bellwether for the future of the Church. How much better things would be, if we were all pulling in the same direction.
More power to JD Flynn and Ed Condon for this excellent news platform. It has been sorely needed. And what good news to see Luke Coppen on board for an increased UK and European emphasis - this being the factor which convinced me to move to a paid subscription.
If you want a better insight, look at the breakdown of votes. There were some motions that received near unanimous support - others barely scraped through (2/3 majority).
Australian Catholics want the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church to be tomorrow everything that the Anglican Church is today....defunct.
Thank you, Australia. Perhaps we will soon be able to have the Mass in English rather than Latglish.
Blah, blah, blah! Nothing more than feminist whining and true to to form the bishops cowered. So now I really wonder if the Holy Spirit was actually present considering one of the gifts of the spirit is fortitude.
Compliments to Luke for hitting the ground running with so much great coverage.
Sorry., the date stamp says 2022, but the article I read sounds like it was written in 1972. I'm sorry to see that the iconoclastic narcissists are also alive and well on the Australian Catholic Church.
So. Much. Bureaucracy. It’s amazing the Holy Spirit can get anything done since we never seem to get out of the way.
At least in the way that these phrases are written, there is so much room to mean practically anything. For example, the one on general absolution. What constitutes an occasion when it is particularly appropriate? The way the Church teaches it now is that it is available on the occasions where it is particularly appropriate. As in I hope I never have to give it.
Maybe there's another document where it is spelled out more specifically, but in the PDF provided, it's just the paragraph that Luke gives in the article.
On the other hand, let's look at the point on youth ministry. You want a strategy to promote "the rich variety of spiritual and devotional traditions of the Church" to the youth? Bring them to a Latin Mass. Teach them Gregorian chant. All the novenas. I'd love to be that guy to suggest those implementations.
Look guys, this conversation could go on and on. The truth is we are all on the same page thinking our take is the most correct.. and perhaps it is. But the MOST important thing is unity. Jesus IS THE LOVE OF THE FATHER. How is that possible? Only God knows the deepest reality of what it means and the Church has tried to convey that to us Catholics and to the world. The Trinity is mystery and we humans will never fully grasp what that means until we die. Jesus is the Love of the Father in human flesh( the first born of the Father) a real human being with all that goes with it but he is divine because he comes from the Father. We will never be able to fully explain this mystery in this world
St. Mary MaKillip had to deal with bishops who tried to control her at every turn, eventually abusing their power and excommunicating her.
The bishops did wrong then as they have done now, caving into laity who don't have the mind of the Church in their words or actions.
St. Mary MacKillop , pray to God for the Church in Australia!
There is very little, if anything, in this synodal output which gives hope. It is classic Nu-Church waffle, endlessly talking about the same things, over and over again, as if we will somehow arrive at a different answer. It is the sign of a Church which has lost its way and forgotten it's purpose. A Church which is operating more like a secular corporation, than the Spotless Bride of Christ.
The secular concerns which motivate so much of the responses, especially regarding women, are obvious. The women (and others) who bang on perpetually about the nonsense of women's ordination (despite the matter being definitively resolved) are wholly unsuited to any kind of leadership position. Their religion is all about themselves, whereas leadership positions are fundamentally positions of service to others, not positions of privilege or status. There is a certain kind of woman who - no matter the environment: be it Church, politics, the workplace etc - offers nothing beyond talking about herself and moaning about her lot. It is a shame that time and resources are wasted giving such people a platform.
I live in Scotland, UK, and the responses in our diocese here were similar fodder. Meaningless tripe born of a secular mindset. Most sincerely, I could have written up the responses myself in advance and saved everyone the bother. The usual "women this, women that" (as in Australia) and "inclusion" (i.e. tolerate homosexuality). To my great amazement (and delight) the Archdiocese of St Andrews & Edinburgh curtly dismissed these, noting the issue of women's ordination is resolved and that the notions of inclusion are vague and seeming born of secular concerns.
The points on Catechesis get close, but ultimately miss the mark. It is true modern Catechesis is very poor and must improve. But we don't need "working groups" on this (the main point of which is to give certain people a platform - of course). The Church already knows how to properly form Catholics. The trouble is, it doesn't. The Church already has great Catechisms. The trouble is, it doesn't use them.
The things the Church should be concentrating on are:
(i) good, traditional Catechesis, using tried and tested solid Catechisms (eg Council of Trent & the various versions of the Baltimore Catechisms).
(ii) a restoration of the liturgy. Even if some are bizarrely resistant to the traditional Mass (which I attend and highly recommend), the novus ordo Mass could be significantly improved. What is served up liturgically in most parishes is slop. Banal protestant style worship. Making the novus ordo resemble what Vatican II called for would be a big improvement, as would getting rid of all the non-Catholic practices which were subsequently introduced through disobedience (most especially communion in the hand).
(iii) rediscovering a sense of purpose. The modern Church is so wishy-washy. Our Lord asked that His Church "go and teach all nations". Does that sound like the effete talking shop we have today? No. Stop wasting time on bogus synods - as if, after 2,000 years, we have no clue what the Church should be doing and how. And, with the exception of the Eastern Orthodox communities, stop wasting time on ecumenism - fruitless nonsense which only seeks to dignify heretics. It's produced nothing in 50 years, all the while most major protestant groups have moved ever further away from Christianity - given they are led by secular society, not Jesus Christ. Let's get the finger out.
If you want to see what energetic, serious Catholicism is, look at the SSPX - which recently passed the 700 priests mark. What an amazing success story the Society has been, despite every effort and dirty trick to hamstring and derail it. While the mainstream Church is talking about women's ordination (again), the Society is forming excellent priests, forming solid Catholics and winning converts.
In my opinion the ongoing success of the Society is a bellwether for the future of the Church. How much better things would be, if we were all pulling in the same direction.
More power to JD Flynn and Ed Condon for this excellent news platform. It has been sorely needed. And what good news to see Luke Coppen on board for an increased UK and European emphasis - this being the factor which convinced me to move to a paid subscription.
If you want a better insight, look at the breakdown of votes. There were some motions that received near unanimous support - others barely scraped through (2/3 majority).
The woeful language, the perpetual demands of women, the amnesia of the true purpose of the Church....so dreary, stultifying, mortally boring.