Seems like a good time for me to cancel a couple of accounts and (checks duckduckgo) give up shopping at Giant Eagle because they are paying to ship their people to us from Ohio? Whole Foods is now my less-liberal grocery chain?? These are strange times.
But let’s think… carrying this to the logical conclusion, we have no one we can buy from or invest in that is in some way connected to abortion. We may have won a battle with abortion but not the WAR. When you have 73% of Americans that approve of some from of abortion…we have no victory in hand. This victory last only until two or three judges leave the court…and once again the court over turns the recent decision!
Battle? War? I'm talking about buying groceries from people who are or aren't sending more human traffic to literally the exact sidewalk I pray on (not about being logical, never my strong suit honestly), but sure, I'm game to switch tracks.
Christ has already won and all we have to do is to be crucified with him in order to win an imperishable crown (and in order to draw others to him along with us); moreover our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against fallen angels and so forth (I forget what St Paul said exactly, or where he said it, but it was a pretty good bit, well worth his time in jotting down.) So we should ask God for the grace to do that, and then do it.
yes; I am out sick this week so I have only two abiding thoughts (1. what shall I eat next? like a hobbit; 2. God. I suppose at daily Mass these could coincide, but, that is for another day.)
That position is a major plot point in the 1963 Otto Preminger movie ‘The Cardinal’. As a time capsule of the immediately pre- to mid-Vatican II church, it’s worth checking out for anyone who hasn’t seen it.
Next step: the Church and its members divest from public corporations promoting abortion, as much as is possible, but retain a few shares to push shareholder initiatives on corporate to stop promoting abortion.
Interesting interview and a bishop who thinks deeply about things.
When the issue of same-sex "marriage" in Australia was pushed down the throats of the country, many of the HR departments of the major corporations got onboard. Friends used the approach of being shareholders to raise objections - however, they were not as successful as the good bishop here. But it is important to remember that shareholders, and not the executives or HR, own the company and should be able to direct it.
One of the problems around the world is that the ownership of corporations has been effectively removed from the beneficiaries. Often, pension funds and other managed assets buy into large corporations. So while the common person "owns" part of these corporations, the structure certain removes them and ensure that they are unable to influence them. Leaving the direction and management to largely mutually appointed "managers" who have their snouts in the trough.
I have an issue with his use of PROabortion. I simply don’t know anyone who fancies abortion. I realize that’s a trigger word, and that is probably his point. But keeping abortion legal, at least in certain circumstances, is important. I’ve already related on this site what happened to me as a young woman and mother and how that compares to today, when I would have a good chance of dying from infection. My life is worth something too. Ask my son.
Aborting a child to save a mother's life, is, in effect, putting her life above that of her child's.
The question then becomes, "is your life worth more than your son's life"? By extension, does his developmental stage matter in terms of determining worth? Ie. do you feel your life is of more value if he's in the womb, a baby, a grown up? This is, obviously, a bit of a "trolley problem" and the questions are tricky, with answers that are, almost by definition, emotionally-charged.
Most parents I've met would give up their own lives to save their children, yet they probably also would advocate for abortion to save a mother's life, thereby subordinating the life of the child, for whom they, as parents, would otherwise die, to that of the mother.
I think a logically consistent position would be to oppose abortion, even to save the mother's life, if you, as a parent, would put your child's life ahead of your own.
Lord, give your sheep more shepherds like this man.
Seems like a good time for me to cancel a couple of accounts and (checks duckduckgo) give up shopping at Giant Eagle because they are paying to ship their people to us from Ohio? Whole Foods is now my less-liberal grocery chain?? These are strange times.
Whole Food is owned by Amazon, so not a good alternative.
But let’s think… carrying this to the logical conclusion, we have no one we can buy from or invest in that is in some way connected to abortion. We may have won a battle with abortion but not the WAR. When you have 73% of Americans that approve of some from of abortion…we have no victory in hand. This victory last only until two or three judges leave the court…and once again the court over turns the recent decision!
Battle? War? I'm talking about buying groceries from people who are or aren't sending more human traffic to literally the exact sidewalk I pray on (not about being logical, never my strong suit honestly), but sure, I'm game to switch tracks.
Christ has already won and all we have to do is to be crucified with him in order to win an imperishable crown (and in order to draw others to him along with us); moreover our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against fallen angels and so forth (I forget what St Paul said exactly, or where he said it, but it was a pretty good bit, well worth his time in jotting down.) So we should ask God for the grace to do that, and then do it.
I am sorry but you missed my entire point!
yes; I am out sick this week so I have only two abiding thoughts (1. what shall I eat next? like a hobbit; 2. God. I suppose at daily Mass these could coincide, but, that is for another day.)
I think those of us who approve of abortion only if the woman's life is in danger because she has a right to life too are included in that 73%.
That position is a major plot point in the 1963 Otto Preminger movie ‘The Cardinal’. As a time capsule of the immediately pre- to mid-Vatican II church, it’s worth checking out for anyone who hasn’t seen it.
(Sorry for hijacking your comment, Sue)
We have a local grocery chain here, so it looks like I can get by with that.
Could someone link the list Bishop Paprocki references in this interview?
I believe it's linked in the second paragraph of the article ("In his diocesan magazine..."). Is that the one you're looking for?
It is, thanks for pointing that out! I read too quickly it seems.
Love Bishop Paprocki. A real pastor of souls
When is the Pillar IPO coming out so we can invest??
Next step: the Church and its members divest from public corporations promoting abortion, as much as is possible, but retain a few shares to push shareholder initiatives on corporate to stop promoting abortion.
What a great interview with a great Bishop!
Kudos to The Pillar for this, and more in a similar vein please!
Useful interventions by Bishop Paprocki, who is surely a model Bishop.
Interesting interview and a bishop who thinks deeply about things.
When the issue of same-sex "marriage" in Australia was pushed down the throats of the country, many of the HR departments of the major corporations got onboard. Friends used the approach of being shareholders to raise objections - however, they were not as successful as the good bishop here. But it is important to remember that shareholders, and not the executives or HR, own the company and should be able to direct it.
One of the problems around the world is that the ownership of corporations has been effectively removed from the beneficiaries. Often, pension funds and other managed assets buy into large corporations. So while the common person "owns" part of these corporations, the structure certain removes them and ensure that they are unable to influence them. Leaving the direction and management to largely mutually appointed "managers" who have their snouts in the trough.
I suspect his more compelling comment was “I am a bishop” more than that he was a shareholder.
I have an issue with his use of PROabortion. I simply don’t know anyone who fancies abortion. I realize that’s a trigger word, and that is probably his point. But keeping abortion legal, at least in certain circumstances, is important. I’ve already related on this site what happened to me as a young woman and mother and how that compares to today, when I would have a good chance of dying from infection. My life is worth something too. Ask my son.
Aborting a child to save a mother's life, is, in effect, putting her life above that of her child's.
The question then becomes, "is your life worth more than your son's life"? By extension, does his developmental stage matter in terms of determining worth? Ie. do you feel your life is of more value if he's in the womb, a baby, a grown up? This is, obviously, a bit of a "trolley problem" and the questions are tricky, with answers that are, almost by definition, emotionally-charged.
Most parents I've met would give up their own lives to save their children, yet they probably also would advocate for abortion to save a mother's life, thereby subordinating the life of the child, for whom they, as parents, would otherwise die, to that of the mother.
I think a logically consistent position would be to oppose abortion, even to save the mother's life, if you, as a parent, would put your child's life ahead of your own.
If I said I had four children and my husband was being treated for cancer, what would you say?
I would say, "congratulations!" and "I hope he recovers soon!".
What's the relevance?