One of the elephants in the room that you did not address is the question: what is specifically meant by "Catholic education" (as in 798 "Parents are to entrust their children to those schools which provide a Catholic education). While you may not want to traverse that treacherous road, my question is how does a parent know if the schools "run" by the Diocese of San Diego provide a "Catholic education". Assuming (for the sake of argument) that a "Catholic education" comprises the teaching of revelation as found in the Scriptures and the Magisterium, is it a prudential judgement to speculate that this is not the case in the Diocese of San DIego given that the current bishop openly opposes and discounts revelation found in the Scriptures and the Magisterium? Perhaps there is conflict between some who school at home and the Diocesan officials on this point? Now, that would be a different kettle of fish than remonstrating against procedural policies.
These homeschooled groups are they mostly out of parish families? Is there money being made by fees, paid tutorials etc. Are there issues the occur with lack of compliance with laws about child care arrangements, staffing, background checks. There are enough normal challenges that seem to always be present within homeschool organizations. Must we look for sinister intent? Homeschools are independent, have strong opinions, and following norms or rules isn’t really part of their educational style. And I homeschooled my kids and support the freedom of parents to direct their kids education.
This episode's discussion was brought to mind by today's reading, for the Twenty-sixth Sunday in Ordinary Time (Year B), with Cardinal McElroy & his chancery cast in the role of Joshua wrongly trying to stop Eldad & Medad from prophesying & John wrongly trying to stop an exorcist not expressly of the Apostolic company.
Unmentioned is the role financial pressure and peaceful, prayerful protests can play while lawsuits are ongoing. Bad publicity and a loss of money are the only thing many corrupt bishops care about, and they are in many ways more practical for the average family. If McElroy is doing this in an unsynodal and unpastoral way, that may be the only way to get his attention. After all, if McElroy didn't care when Richard Sipe wrote to him about McCarrick's many rapes, maybe he won't care about the harm suffered by families and children due to his homeschool ban.
I was glad you discussed the canon law passages regarding education and the civil support of religious education. I have always been unsure what to think of school vouchers for private school because my cynical self wondered if it was just a way for bishops to drive revenue and not really concerned about what was best for society, and I wasn't too sure what I thought about it on its own merits. So it is good to know what the Church teaches.
Guys, I love you, but please try to speak into the mic at the end of your sentences. A lot of your most thoughtful points are made almost under your breath! As a listener I have to pause, skip back 30 seconds, turn up the volume to hear your (often very interesting!) point, and then race to turn the volume back down.
I find this happens when you are intensely in the weeds, which is where the good stuff is!
Ed, are you suggesting recourse as outlined in 1732 and following? If so, that would seem to be limited to administrative acts, whereas this was apparently a legislative act.
"I wonder if we shouldn't have nonviolent action as a first resort, to plant it at the center" of Catholic teaching on conflict." -Cardinal McElroy
Is that permission to picket and withhold tithes from the San Diego diocese as long as the anti-homeschool policy continues? Would a lawsuit be a fruitful way for homeschoolers to respond to his war on their children's education? Only if coupled with more effective nonviolent action.
I grew up attending a homeschool co-op group; I have very good memories and friendships from that time. The parish which hosted the co-op was certainly fulfilling its purpose "to celebrate the good news of Jesus Christ and to serve the needs of the Catholic community," to quote the San Diego diocese.
When are you going to give us what we are all waiting for?
That being, of course, Ed's opinions on Donald Trumps new line of watches?
https://apnews.com/article/trump-election-campaign-watches-c6000a9944a5e9116b99ca2fe8b95cb0
You don't have to go home(school) but you can't stay here.
I am here for JD’s Ben Folds parody
Ed and J.D.,
One of the elephants in the room that you did not address is the question: what is specifically meant by "Catholic education" (as in 798 "Parents are to entrust their children to those schools which provide a Catholic education). While you may not want to traverse that treacherous road, my question is how does a parent know if the schools "run" by the Diocese of San Diego provide a "Catholic education". Assuming (for the sake of argument) that a "Catholic education" comprises the teaching of revelation as found in the Scriptures and the Magisterium, is it a prudential judgement to speculate that this is not the case in the Diocese of San DIego given that the current bishop openly opposes and discounts revelation found in the Scriptures and the Magisterium? Perhaps there is conflict between some who school at home and the Diocesan officials on this point? Now, that would be a different kettle of fish than remonstrating against procedural policies.
Thank you for not covering a story you aren't equipped to cover! I appreciate professionals knowing their limits.
These homeschooled groups are they mostly out of parish families? Is there money being made by fees, paid tutorials etc. Are there issues the occur with lack of compliance with laws about child care arrangements, staffing, background checks. There are enough normal challenges that seem to always be present within homeschool organizations. Must we look for sinister intent? Homeschools are independent, have strong opinions, and following norms or rules isn’t really part of their educational style. And I homeschooled my kids and support the freedom of parents to direct their kids education.
This episode's discussion was brought to mind by today's reading, for the Twenty-sixth Sunday in Ordinary Time (Year B), with Cardinal McElroy & his chancery cast in the role of Joshua wrongly trying to stop Eldad & Medad from prophesying & John wrongly trying to stop an exorcist not expressly of the Apostolic company.
Unmentioned is the role financial pressure and peaceful, prayerful protests can play while lawsuits are ongoing. Bad publicity and a loss of money are the only thing many corrupt bishops care about, and they are in many ways more practical for the average family. If McElroy is doing this in an unsynodal and unpastoral way, that may be the only way to get his attention. After all, if McElroy didn't care when Richard Sipe wrote to him about McCarrick's many rapes, maybe he won't care about the harm suffered by families and children due to his homeschool ban.
I was glad you discussed the canon law passages regarding education and the civil support of religious education. I have always been unsure what to think of school vouchers for private school because my cynical self wondered if it was just a way for bishops to drive revenue and not really concerned about what was best for society, and I wasn't too sure what I thought about it on its own merits. So it is good to know what the Church teaches.
Guys, I love you, but please try to speak into the mic at the end of your sentences. A lot of your most thoughtful points are made almost under your breath! As a listener I have to pause, skip back 30 seconds, turn up the volume to hear your (often very interesting!) point, and then race to turn the volume back down.
I find this happens when you are intensely in the weeds, which is where the good stuff is!
Thank you for the reminder, Don. You're right.
You da man, JD
Concur. I thought it was just me.
Ed, are you suggesting recourse as outlined in 1732 and following? If so, that would seem to be limited to administrative acts, whereas this was apparently a legislative act.
"I wonder if we shouldn't have nonviolent action as a first resort, to plant it at the center" of Catholic teaching on conflict." -Cardinal McElroy
Is that permission to picket and withhold tithes from the San Diego diocese as long as the anti-homeschool policy continues? Would a lawsuit be a fruitful way for homeschoolers to respond to his war on their children's education? Only if coupled with more effective nonviolent action.
https://x.com/jimbretzke/status/1840939791350972503
I grew up attending a homeschool co-op group; I have very good memories and friendships from that time. The parish which hosted the co-op was certainly fulfilling its purpose "to celebrate the good news of Jesus Christ and to serve the needs of the Catholic community," to quote the San Diego diocese.
Your comment about synodality was on the nose!
Thank you for bringing back the “to the law” jingle!