My guess is that the synodal committee will proceed as planned, with or without the German Bishops' conference voting to approve the statues. They will simply proceed as if the conference voted to approve them, without an actual formal vote in order to satisfy the order from Rome. As for whether this violates the rules of the actual synodal committee itself, I don't think it really matters. Rules can be changed or ignored as needed, and rules or laws are not going to get in the way of these people attempting to accomplish their objectives. One way or another they will trudge on with the project, and it is going to take a much more forceful response from Rome to have any chance of stopping them.
"The synodal committee therefore seems neither dead nor alive, but something in between: a kind of zombie that will be lurking in the background when German bishops and Vatican officials meet this week."
The one thing you don't get is a crucifix. I looked very closely at that photo and couldn't find a single one. Maybe the cardinal pushed back against the wall is wearing on, or then again maybe not. How could you have a Catholic meeting without any accoutrements of Catholic life?
I always forget how the abuse scandal was the impetus for the synodal way and its opposition to “The Way.” Amazing how such evil could be taken and used for yet more evil.
Well, the classical depiction of a vampire is a demon inhabiting the body of a person, which is a hilariously on the nose metaphor for this particular situation.
I wonder if anyone is as bored as I am with the blow by blow happenings of this story. My take has not changed since this whole German gruel was first slopped into the bowl of the Catholic consciousness. And this is my take, as nothing as it is worth: a powerful contigent of Germans is pushing into schism without the Holy See saying “ verboten und genug“ ( Thank you online translation services). So, this is a soap opera with the one true halting of the Holy See being the suppression that of their recently planned vote. Reading the Getman machinations is like consulting a thesaurus…ie how many different ways can you say the same thing so as to get around Vatican prohibitions. So…..”just tell me when it’s all over “ is how I react when I see another installment of the antics in play.
Are you kidding me? It’s a glorious demonstration that Germans do indeed believe that Bureaucratic bodies fix everything! If only a few more believed in Jesus instead…
The Synodal process will keep churning because the whole point of the process is to replace the government of the Church which was instituted by Christ (Bishops) with a government instituted by man (the Committee).
Naturally, the people who would get involved in a coup like this aren't going to be dissuaded by the actual authority in the Church, who they are trying to overthrow.
What I want to know is, why I should listen to some lay person the way I would listen to a bishop? I can, more or less, accept that a bishop has some authority. But I don't see why that acceptance should extend to Irma Stetter-Karp or whatever her name is.
My guess is that the synodal committee will proceed as planned, with or without the German Bishops' conference voting to approve the statues. They will simply proceed as if the conference voted to approve them, without an actual formal vote in order to satisfy the order from Rome. As for whether this violates the rules of the actual synodal committee itself, I don't think it really matters. Rules can be changed or ignored as needed, and rules or laws are not going to get in the way of these people attempting to accomplish their objectives. One way or another they will trudge on with the project, and it is going to take a much more forceful response from Rome to have any chance of stopping them.
"The synodal committee therefore seems neither dead nor alive, but something in between: a kind of zombie that will be lurking in the background when German bishops and Vatican officials meet this week."
-What they really need are BRAIIIIINNNSSSS...
I was taken with the story photo. Every member of "The Way" gets
a) a bottle of water,
b) A PDA or laptop
c) a fancy water glass,
d) a coffee mug,
e) a mic with its own stand,
f) a plastic name placard
g) a paperback bound version of "The Way"
h) random blue and brown folders,
i) optional coasters for the water bottle.
The swag alone justifies keeping them in business, at least until 2045.
The one thing you don't get is a crucifix. I looked very closely at that photo and couldn't find a single one. Maybe the cardinal pushed back against the wall is wearing on, or then again maybe not. How could you have a Catholic meeting without any accoutrements of Catholic life?
Could the Synodal Web be any more pathetic?
Dunno, I kinda like the tile carpeting and the slide projector.
I always forget how the abuse scandal was the impetus for the synodal way and its opposition to “The Way.” Amazing how such evil could be taken and used for yet more evil.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
Well, the classical depiction of a vampire is a demon inhabiting the body of a person, which is a hilariously on the nose metaphor for this particular situation.
The synodal committee is clearly undead.
I wonder if anyone is as bored as I am with the blow by blow happenings of this story. My take has not changed since this whole German gruel was first slopped into the bowl of the Catholic consciousness. And this is my take, as nothing as it is worth: a powerful contigent of Germans is pushing into schism without the Holy See saying “ verboten und genug“ ( Thank you online translation services). So, this is a soap opera with the one true halting of the Holy See being the suppression that of their recently planned vote. Reading the Getman machinations is like consulting a thesaurus…ie how many different ways can you say the same thing so as to get around Vatican prohibitions. So…..”just tell me when it’s all over “ is how I react when I see another installment of the antics in play.
Are you kidding me? It’s a glorious demonstration that Germans do indeed believe that Bureaucratic bodies fix everything! If only a few more believed in Jesus instead…
I am not pining for the "good old days" (which were not always so good).
Yet, would the run away dumpster fire of the GSW be happening under a different pope?
We seem to have a pope who says, "yes" but "no" and who says, "no" but "yes" (FC, along with many other things).
Does the ambiguity and the lack of transparency of this pontificate just urge on a cacophony of confusion?
The Synodal process will keep churning because the whole point of the process is to replace the government of the Church which was instituted by Christ (Bishops) with a government instituted by man (the Committee).
Naturally, the people who would get involved in a coup like this aren't going to be dissuaded by the actual authority in the Church, who they are trying to overthrow.
What I want to know is, why I should listen to some lay person the way I would listen to a bishop? I can, more or less, accept that a bishop has some authority. But I don't see why that acceptance should extend to Irma Stetter-Karp or whatever her name is.
Long live Quangos! More Quangos! Quangos on Quangos! Failed Quangos need another Quango to right it!
But bureaucracy is so much fun!