At least one diocese in New Jersey paid a huge amount of money long ago to a former seminarian because of what McCarrick did to him. So yes, they knew and didn't want what he did to get around. Hush money.
And what did we learn, kids? That if you can get away with it for long enough before the jig is up, you can get away with it.
And none of your closest confidants and allies (like maybe your fellow US cardinals?) will be put in the hot seat or investigated with any meaningful intensity.
And when you pass away, you'll still get a nice funeral Mass with a bishop or two present.
And at worst, someone might refer to you as "sometimes not uncontroversial" at your funeral.
This world's justice is frequently in error, but God is just and He will judge justly in this case as in all our cases. I have no doubt but that Mr McCarrick will have a lot to answer for when he departs this world.
Yes God is gracious in his mercy but we also have to serious in our repentance and in the end we have to be purged of our disordered desires before being allowed through the pearly gates. I pray that he made a good confession.
Your years long roommate might even get to be Camerlengo with nary a questioned asked. It's even possible your close confidants will become bishops themselves at your urging and nobody will question this after the facts have come out...well sort of come out because instead of doing a full trial where all the facts come out (as justice requires) the Vatican will only perform a narrowly tailored expedited administrative process that prevents most facts from coming to light. Oh and the dioceses that have info in the US will also prevent any of their evidence to be examined because...well we don't really know why exactly
But don't worry - the Church has learned her lesson and it's time we all move on.
There are indeed many unanswered questions. I think I will channel my "burn down the plutarchy" nervous energy into praying the Veni Sancte Spiritus or Veni Creator, whichever one has got more fire in it.
I'm not sure. It might be more like the way we forget what childbirth was like (not to imply that prayer is like that) or it might be because I am just really dense and don't extrapolate from "God loves to answer Litany of Humility promptly and with vigor" to any other petition.
He's also very good at answering give me the grace of forgiveness by giving me lots of things to forgive. I know someone once said be careful what you ask for.
McCarrick and his friends basically got away with it and the victims won't get justice. They deserve prayers and McCarrick too that he be repentant of his many sins. By the by the Vatican can thank him for the annual stipend they're said to receive as a result of the McCarrick deal that saw the Underground Church in China swallowed up by the 'Patriotic Catholic Association' or that is the aim of the deal whose actual (apparently oft violated) terms have never been disclosed. The faithful are mugs apparently. I wonder how many white clad bishops will be at his funeral. There will be a small army of priests at least. And they should be there. McCarrick was very generous with money that wasn't his and it'll help people to come to an understanding about the presentday Church in respect of its leadership and many of its clericalist clerical personnel.
For the sake of his own soul I hope he repented before he lost his mental faculties.
It is impossible to know how much harm that little man did to his victims, their families, and the Church. Prayers for them all and for the conversion of his enablers/collaborators.
It's true that McCarrick will soon face the Judgment Seat, but I wish the Church here on earth had done more to bind him.
I don't believe Pope Francis has acknowledged that some of us prefer the EF because the NO and its loose practices over the last 50 years are linked forever for us with instances of clerical abuse.
Do you have stats that back that up? That priests in the same time that were in NO masses were more likely than EF? I don’t think you can just say this due to timing as that’s just a correlation. And it’s statements like this (that seem to those of us who like NO) that seem like the EF people are “holier than thou” and somehow that form is better than NO
During the time I was exposed to priest abuse during the 1970s there were no EF Masses. They may have been celebrated in the shadows, but for a regular Catholic during that time, the NO was the only Mass. I have no comparison stats because there was only one thing to measure.
I'm sorry if I seemed to insult a valid Catholic practice. I attend the NO and don't feel the EF is superior. What I was saying, is that for those of us who had no option -- who didn't even know an option existed -- some bad memories are associated with the NO Mass, especially as it was celebrated in the '70s. We're so blessed now to have the EF as an option. I just wish Pope Francis had a more expansive understanding of how the EF helps some of us make peace with a very difficult time in the Church's history.
McCarrick may have escaped justice in this world, but none of will escape justice in the next. I pray he repented while he still had the mental faculties to do so.
As per usual, Uncle Ted wins. At any stage, you'd have lost your shirt betting against the man. Consider... McCarrick was elevated to Cardinal despite the Vatican being aware of accusations against him. McCarrick's preferred candidate won the papacy in 2013. McCarrick's proteges are America's newest Cardinals. McCarrick's best friend and roommate is Camerlengo. And now charges against him are dropped. What's the lesson? Sigh. Never underestimate the power that Satan has as "the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4). If there's any justice, it'll have to come for Uncle Ted in the next world. But I hear from good authority that "sins below the waist" are the lightest sort of sin anyway and only the concern of rigid backward-looking fuddy-duddies, so who knows...
You should go back and read Dante's Inferno again. And Our Lady of Fatima told Jacinta that more people go to hell for sins of the flesh than for any other reason.
Sue, my comments about "good authority" and "backward-looking fuddy-duddies" were intended as a sarcastic jab at today's prevailing mentality in and around Domus Sanctae Marthae.
What an absolutely disgraceful decision. Another blow for the victims of this monster. No doubt his friends Pope Francis and the "Team McCarrick" Cardinals will be well satisfied.
Watching from the UK, its remarkable how many abusers - in the US - suddenly develop a stooped back and shuffling gait and require walking aids, when they are finally brought to account for their crimes. From Weinstein to McCarrick, its predictable as clockwork. Its all theatre, of course: McCarrick pretends to be an invalid, just as he pretended to be a clergyman.
I have no doubt that, had he not fallen from grace, Theodore would still be travelling the world in luxury and good health, as Francis' personal emissary. I also have no doubt that, were he left within arms reach of a young boy today, he would suddenly regain his faculties.
McCarrick and the aforementioned represent everything that is rotten about the modern Church. I can well imagine similar clerical beasts grooming young men and boys after the rigged synod, telling them "The Pope says it isn't wrong to do this anymore". Perhaps that is part of the plan?
The secular media seems all very muted about this too. While they are happy to attack the Church over abuse (as is well deserved) they only do so in the most vague terms and do not like to get into the specifics which show that homosexual predators like McCarrick (and their protectors) were by far the chief problem. It seems that hurting the Church, as opposed to championing and helping the victims, is the main aim of the reporting.
While it seems McCarrick is to get off "scot free" in this life, it is difficult to imagine such a cynical, cruel and scheming man making a sincere confession (he likely has no faith at all) and so perhaps he will be repaid for his actions in the next life.
I pray every day that the synod won't do or say anything in opposition to the true teachings if the Church. And I am hopeful because my bishop who is going said it wasn't about doctrine and won't change any. The USCCB are sending 5.
An acquaintance of mine had tried to maintain some contact with him out of Christian charity. This acquaintance, who is certainly no McCarrick devotee, has said that he had serious dementia before the scandal broke, and he has only declined further and further. He is completely unaware of what is happening in his life. For better or for worse, the Massachusetts justice system does not put such men on trial.
Cardinal Farrell, his former housemate who's at least as good as Sgt. Schultz of Hogan's Heros at seeing nothing, nothing. He's currently the camerlingo, which means he'll run things in Rome between Francis's death and the election of the next Pope. Probably Tobin.
any actual proof McCarrick did any of this? He actually didn't go to trial so...
At least one diocese in New Jersey paid a huge amount of money long ago to a former seminarian because of what McCarrick did to him. So yes, they knew and didn't want what he did to get around. Hush money.
And what did we learn, kids? That if you can get away with it for long enough before the jig is up, you can get away with it.
And none of your closest confidants and allies (like maybe your fellow US cardinals?) will be put in the hot seat or investigated with any meaningful intensity.
And when you pass away, you'll still get a nice funeral Mass with a bishop or two present.
And at worst, someone might refer to you as "sometimes not uncontroversial" at your funeral.
This world's justice is frequently in error, but God is just and He will judge justly in this case as in all our cases. I have no doubt but that Mr McCarrick will have a lot to answer for when he departs this world.
Unless he went to confession for this. Damned mercy again.
Yes God is gracious in his mercy but we also have to serious in our repentance and in the end we have to be purged of our disordered desires before being allowed through the pearly gates. I pray that he made a good confession.
Your years long roommate might even get to be Camerlengo with nary a questioned asked. It's even possible your close confidants will become bishops themselves at your urging and nobody will question this after the facts have come out...well sort of come out because instead of doing a full trial where all the facts come out (as justice requires) the Vatican will only perform a narrowly tailored expedited administrative process that prevents most facts from coming to light. Oh and the dioceses that have info in the US will also prevent any of their evidence to be examined because...well we don't really know why exactly
But don't worry - the Church has learned her lesson and it's time we all move on.
There are indeed many unanswered questions. I think I will channel my "burn down the plutarchy" nervous energy into praying the Veni Sancte Spiritus or Veni Creator, whichever one has got more fire in it.
wow why do I keep expecting the effect of prayer not to be immediate and local (in addition to whatever else happens).
Because you keep praying the same things and you don't see immediate results? That's why I tend to have that attitude.
I'm not sure. It might be more like the way we forget what childbirth was like (not to imply that prayer is like that) or it might be because I am just really dense and don't extrapolate from "God loves to answer Litany of Humility promptly and with vigor" to any other petition.
He's also very good at answering give me the grace of forgiveness by giving me lots of things to forgive. I know someone once said be careful what you ask for.
You know he is camerlingo, not might become. And you forgot to mention his friends now cardinals.
Oh hey it's a right wing troll with a dictator for a profile pic
McCarrick and his friends basically got away with it and the victims won't get justice. They deserve prayers and McCarrick too that he be repentant of his many sins. By the by the Vatican can thank him for the annual stipend they're said to receive as a result of the McCarrick deal that saw the Underground Church in China swallowed up by the 'Patriotic Catholic Association' or that is the aim of the deal whose actual (apparently oft violated) terms have never been disclosed. The faithful are mugs apparently. I wonder how many white clad bishops will be at his funeral. There will be a small army of priests at least. And they should be there. McCarrick was very generous with money that wasn't his and it'll help people to come to an understanding about the presentday Church in respect of its leadership and many of its clericalist clerical personnel.
For the sake of his own soul I hope he repented before he lost his mental faculties.
It is impossible to know how much harm that little man did to his victims, their families, and the Church. Prayers for them all and for the conversion of his enablers/collaborators.
Well, yeah. He's passing beyond the reach of earthly justice.
May he find repentance before he has cause to wish earthly justice had been more swift!
It's true that McCarrick will soon face the Judgment Seat, but I wish the Church here on earth had done more to bind him.
I don't believe Pope Francis has acknowledged that some of us prefer the EF because the NO and its loose practices over the last 50 years are linked forever for us with instances of clerical abuse.
Do you have stats that back that up? That priests in the same time that were in NO masses were more likely than EF? I don’t think you can just say this due to timing as that’s just a correlation. And it’s statements like this (that seem to those of us who like NO) that seem like the EF people are “holier than thou” and somehow that form is better than NO
During the time I was exposed to priest abuse during the 1970s there were no EF Masses. They may have been celebrated in the shadows, but for a regular Catholic during that time, the NO was the only Mass. I have no comparison stats because there was only one thing to measure.
I'm sorry if I seemed to insult a valid Catholic practice. I attend the NO and don't feel the EF is superior. What I was saying, is that for those of us who had no option -- who didn't even know an option existed -- some bad memories are associated with the NO Mass, especially as it was celebrated in the '70s. We're so blessed now to have the EF as an option. I just wish Pope Francis had a more expansive understanding of how the EF helps some of us make peace with a very difficult time in the Church's history.
Red herring. Nice fallacy
One of the benefits of dropping out of the Church in 1970 and returning in 1980 was I missed all that.
McCarrick may have escaped justice in this world, but none of will escape justice in the next. I pray he repented while he still had the mental faculties to do so.
As per usual, Uncle Ted wins. At any stage, you'd have lost your shirt betting against the man. Consider... McCarrick was elevated to Cardinal despite the Vatican being aware of accusations against him. McCarrick's preferred candidate won the papacy in 2013. McCarrick's proteges are America's newest Cardinals. McCarrick's best friend and roommate is Camerlengo. And now charges against him are dropped. What's the lesson? Sigh. Never underestimate the power that Satan has as "the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4). If there's any justice, it'll have to come for Uncle Ted in the next world. But I hear from good authority that "sins below the waist" are the lightest sort of sin anyway and only the concern of rigid backward-looking fuddy-duddies, so who knows...
You should go back and read Dante's Inferno again. And Our Lady of Fatima told Jacinta that more people go to hell for sins of the flesh than for any other reason.
Sue, my comments about "good authority" and "backward-looking fuddy-duddies" were intended as a sarcastic jab at today's prevailing mentality in and around Domus Sanctae Marthae.
As I have mentioned before here, if you are being sarcastic I will almost always not catch that. Please forgive me.
What an absolutely disgraceful decision. Another blow for the victims of this monster. No doubt his friends Pope Francis and the "Team McCarrick" Cardinals will be well satisfied.
Watching from the UK, its remarkable how many abusers - in the US - suddenly develop a stooped back and shuffling gait and require walking aids, when they are finally brought to account for their crimes. From Weinstein to McCarrick, its predictable as clockwork. Its all theatre, of course: McCarrick pretends to be an invalid, just as he pretended to be a clergyman.
I have no doubt that, had he not fallen from grace, Theodore would still be travelling the world in luxury and good health, as Francis' personal emissary. I also have no doubt that, were he left within arms reach of a young boy today, he would suddenly regain his faculties.
McCarrick and the aforementioned represent everything that is rotten about the modern Church. I can well imagine similar clerical beasts grooming young men and boys after the rigged synod, telling them "The Pope says it isn't wrong to do this anymore". Perhaps that is part of the plan?
The secular media seems all very muted about this too. While they are happy to attack the Church over abuse (as is well deserved) they only do so in the most vague terms and do not like to get into the specifics which show that homosexual predators like McCarrick (and their protectors) were by far the chief problem. It seems that hurting the Church, as opposed to championing and helping the victims, is the main aim of the reporting.
While it seems McCarrick is to get off "scot free" in this life, it is difficult to imagine such a cynical, cruel and scheming man making a sincere confession (he likely has no faith at all) and so perhaps he will be repaid for his actions in the next life.
I pray every day that the synod won't do or say anything in opposition to the true teachings if the Church. And I am hopeful because my bishop who is going said it wasn't about doctrine and won't change any. The USCCB are sending 5.
An acquaintance of mine had tried to maintain some contact with him out of Christian charity. This acquaintance, who is certainly no McCarrick devotee, has said that he had serious dementia before the scandal broke, and he has only declined further and further. He is completely unaware of what is happening in his life. For better or for worse, the Massachusetts justice system does not put such men on trial.
Dammit, me mad, me wanna see people suffer
"The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of priests, with those of Bishops on the signposts."
Who -serious question- are the members of what one might term the "McCarrick Circle?"
Cardinal Farrell, his former housemate who's at least as good as Sgt. Schultz of Hogan's Heros at seeing nothing, nothing. He's currently the camerlingo, which means he'll run things in Rome between Francis's death and the election of the next Pope. Probably Tobin.