That said, Pillar commentary has suggested a distaste for another religious, given just how favorable Pope Francis was to the Jesuits. I would love to hear more about Cdl. Ambango's relationship to the Capuchins as a bishop, to see if there are tea leaves to read there, and to see if that will be disqualifying.
Certainly isn't for me - I did undergraduate in Boston during O'Malley's reign, and his Capuchin-ism was a huge asset in my mind. If Ambungo is in the same vein, it just makes me pray for his candidacy more.
(I am also aware you have O.P. after your name, Fr., so feel free to chime in on this.)
The only thing I found on that was that he was open to studying the question of female deacons. That could be support or could be a way of inviting conversation about the topic to deepen the theology surrounding the issue. But yes it is worth noting.
Though he seems to believe in sin and the need for us invest in the family. Given the current crop of cardinals that stands out, sadly that stands out.
I would be happy with Cardinal Ambongo as Pope. That said Vatican I and Vatican II demand that Catholics (laity and clergy alike) give submission of mind and will to all acts of the Papal Magisterium and that these be sincerely adhered to. This would include adherence to Fiducia supplicans along with Amoris Laetitia and subsequent clarifications.
I don’t see how there can be a small “o” orthodox Catholic who is able to dissent from these documents. You of course have to define what is required by dissent & submission. If one views parts of AL and FS as heretical, does that mean Catholic are required to submit to heretical propositions?
JP2’s Donum Veritatis more or less assumes Magisterial grave error is not possible, only deficiencies that can be clarified later magisterial acts.
JP2 also taught:
“Alongside this infallibility of the ex cathedra definitions there is the charism of assistance to the Holy Spirit, granted to Peter and his successors, so that they do not err in matters of faith and morals and instead give good illumination to the Christian people. This charism is not limited to exceptional cases, but embraces in various degrees the whole exercise of the magisterium.”
There are other teachings on papal authority I could site from prior to Vatican II as well.
Then again there are historical cases of potential reversals of teaching in the past. One that comes to mind might be the issues surrounding what is required for the validity of priestly ordination (the laying of hands vs the handing on of ecclesial instruments).
My point is, I am curious how someone like Ambongo would actually handle FS and AL as Pope.
I mean a full throttle disowning of these two documents may entail a “rethinking” of the Church’s teaching on the Pope’s authority from at least Trent onwards (if not from Leo I) including the teachings of at least two ecumenical councils. Something the German Synodal way, and our Orthodox and Protestant brethren would be happy to have happen.
From what I can see Cardinal Ambongo never said that FS was heretical, just that its application would be inappropriate in Africa because it could be confusing. He said, "“The language of Fiducia Supplicans remains too subtle for simple people to understand." Maybe dismissive of people's ability to see nuance, but that statement is different from saying that FS is heretical.
Pope now.
Pope, Yes
Amen!
That said, Pillar commentary has suggested a distaste for another religious, given just how favorable Pope Francis was to the Jesuits. I would love to hear more about Cdl. Ambango's relationship to the Capuchins as a bishop, to see if there are tea leaves to read there, and to see if that will be disqualifying.
Certainly isn't for me - I did undergraduate in Boston during O'Malley's reign, and his Capuchin-ism was a huge asset in my mind. If Ambungo is in the same vein, it just makes me pray for his candidacy more.
(I am also aware you have O.P. after your name, Fr., so feel free to chime in on this.)
A difficulty is that the cardinal is reportedly open to studying the possibility of a female diaconite.
The only thing I found on that was that he was open to studying the question of female deacons. That could be support or could be a way of inviting conversation about the topic to deepen the theology surrounding the issue. But yes it is worth noting.
Though he seems to believe in sin and the need for us invest in the family. Given the current crop of cardinals that stands out, sadly that stands out.
I would be happy with Cardinal Ambongo as Pope. That said Vatican I and Vatican II demand that Catholics (laity and clergy alike) give submission of mind and will to all acts of the Papal Magisterium and that these be sincerely adhered to. This would include adherence to Fiducia supplicans along with Amoris Laetitia and subsequent clarifications.
I don’t see how there can be a small “o” orthodox Catholic who is able to dissent from these documents. You of course have to define what is required by dissent & submission. If one views parts of AL and FS as heretical, does that mean Catholic are required to submit to heretical propositions?
JP2’s Donum Veritatis more or less assumes Magisterial grave error is not possible, only deficiencies that can be clarified later magisterial acts.
JP2 also taught:
“Alongside this infallibility of the ex cathedra definitions there is the charism of assistance to the Holy Spirit, granted to Peter and his successors, so that they do not err in matters of faith and morals and instead give good illumination to the Christian people. This charism is not limited to exceptional cases, but embraces in various degrees the whole exercise of the magisterium.”
There are other teachings on papal authority I could site from prior to Vatican II as well.
Then again there are historical cases of potential reversals of teaching in the past. One that comes to mind might be the issues surrounding what is required for the validity of priestly ordination (the laying of hands vs the handing on of ecclesial instruments).
My point is, I am curious how someone like Ambongo would actually handle FS and AL as Pope.
I mean a full throttle disowning of these two documents may entail a “rethinking” of the Church’s teaching on the Pope’s authority from at least Trent onwards (if not from Leo I) including the teachings of at least two ecumenical councils. Something the German Synodal way, and our Orthodox and Protestant brethren would be happy to have happen.
From what I can see Cardinal Ambongo never said that FS was heretical, just that its application would be inappropriate in Africa because it could be confusing. He said, "“The language of Fiducia Supplicans remains too subtle for simple people to understand." Maybe dismissive of people's ability to see nuance, but that statement is different from saying that FS is heretical.
I'm a big fan of Cardinal Ambongo.
Quoting Vladimir Putin on morality is certainly a choice.
Thanks for the write up on Cardinal Ambongo. I like this guy.