I am fist pumping this article. It has seemed to me for many years now, that getting women involved in the abuse procedures would be common sense. Men being accountable to men has often not worked well in many spheres of life where abuse of minors and women has been exposed.
Putting women in these positions will not solve anything because women are not any better than men. They are not any more moral or good. What will happen is the feminist agenda will permeate even more the the hierarchy. It's already bad as it is, this will make matters worse.
No I'm sorry but a womans voice makes a difference. Here in Australia we only have one Saint so far. Sr Mary Mackillop. She had bravely reported a local Priest for abusing the children however for her efforts she was excommunicated and demonized by the hierarchy. All ended well when the Bishop on his deathbed, felt impelled to lift the excommunication of the innocent nun. This is just one example of how women are silenced when exposing abuse.
What feminist agenda are you talking about? Women need representation because we are of equal dignity to men. You seem to believe that there haven't been any serious problems with the structure of the Church so far?
Well the women's voices that we've heard so loudly is my body my choice.
Women do not need representation in the governance. Women just need to be holy and that can be achieved without being part of the administration.
The utterly ridiculous thing is that its all about "empowerment". The moment that that gets bandied about then it shows that they don't get the Gospel at all.
Mary McKillop is irrelevant to the discussion. She became a saint without being part of the church hierarchy. In fact, women saints became women saints not by becoming part of the adminstration but by living out the call of Christ. Christ was never about power.
And no, she was not excommunicated because she reported a local priest for abusing children. That was just conjecture.
Yeah, the woman's voice makes a difference like Eve's conversation with the serpent.
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Given your crossouts, I presume you, like me, think a dicastry is someplace where you go to throw dice.
And yes, the Church is failing to take care of its abusive bishops by excluding the laity from the group of those who respond to complaints about their behavior. Since women and children tend to be the victims in such cases, this may be an opportunity to strengthen the actions taken against such jerks.
Depends on where you are. I had a Brother who tried to seduce me when I was 16, and he succeeded with another five or ten girls before he was laicized. And one of the three priests laicized in my home diocese shortly after 2002 was accused by women. Sexual abuse is not a gay only problem.
I am fist pumping this article. It has seemed to me for many years now, that getting women involved in the abuse procedures would be common sense. Men being accountable to men has often not worked well in many spheres of life where abuse of minors and women has been exposed.
Putting women in these positions will not solve anything because women are not any better than men. They are not any more moral or good. What will happen is the feminist agenda will permeate even more the the hierarchy. It's already bad as it is, this will make matters worse.
No I'm sorry but a womans voice makes a difference. Here in Australia we only have one Saint so far. Sr Mary Mackillop. She had bravely reported a local Priest for abusing the children however for her efforts she was excommunicated and demonized by the hierarchy. All ended well when the Bishop on his deathbed, felt impelled to lift the excommunication of the innocent nun. This is just one example of how women are silenced when exposing abuse.
What feminist agenda are you talking about? Women need representation because we are of equal dignity to men. You seem to believe that there haven't been any serious problems with the structure of the Church so far?
Well the women's voices that we've heard so loudly is my body my choice.
Women do not need representation in the governance. Women just need to be holy and that can be achieved without being part of the administration.
The utterly ridiculous thing is that its all about "empowerment". The moment that that gets bandied about then it shows that they don't get the Gospel at all.
Mary McKillop is irrelevant to the discussion. She became a saint without being part of the church hierarchy. In fact, women saints became women saints not by becoming part of the adminstration but by living out the call of Christ. Christ was never about power.
And no, she was not excommunicated because she reported a local priest for abusing children. That was just conjecture.
Yeah, the woman's voice makes a difference like Eve's conversation with the serpent.
This is the analysis that I subscribe to the Pillar for. Real thoughts instead of easy hot takes.
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I never noticed it doing that on mine, and I just got my renewal notice. Yes, keep me subscribed.
Does that symbol (the red flower-looking thing) show for all subscribers, or just the top tier ones?
Oh, well now you have me questioning myself. I thought it was all subscribers, but I have also been wrong before.
Wish there was a "hot take" at the top of the article in case I had only a minute, but great to read this story
Given your crossouts, I presume you, like me, think a dicastry is someplace where you go to throw dice.
And yes, the Church is failing to take care of its abusive bishops by excluding the laity from the group of those who respond to complaints about their behavior. Since women and children tend to be the victims in such cases, this may be an opportunity to strengthen the actions taken against such jerks.
Actually not. It is not usually women. It is usually teenage boys. The problem in the church is largely homosexuality - pederasty in fact.
Depends on where you are. I had a Brother who tried to seduce me when I was 16, and he succeeded with another five or ten girls before he was laicized. And one of the three priests laicized in my home diocese shortly after 2002 was accused by women. Sexual abuse is not a gay only problem.
True. But a very great majority are homosexual in nature.