Well, I mean, if Father Pastor says he is faithful to his priestly vows, what else can you do? Documentation otherwise, someone caught living a double life would never lie or mislead.
Priests “cohabiting”? ‘The europhilic love of obfuscatory language is a major part of the problem. ‘ Translation, in plain talking American english: too many Church officials trying to hide evil by talking like silly old women in England.
Priest living with and having sex with others has been (and in many parishes still is) winked at and publicly ignored. This is especially true with heterophobic priests / bishops, who are often joined in covering it up by ‘liberal’ lay people.
My diocese has been riven with this kind of behavior for decades. Those who speak out against it are, at the very least, shunned. And publicly maligned if they continue to speak out against the misbehavior.
The current pope’s actions foster this - rewarding heterodoxic and heteropraxic priests and bishops (Mr. James Martin, Cdl Cupich and Bp McelRoy, for example) while punishing plain speaking prelates and priests for publicly proclaiming orthodox Catholic views.
We’ve got some courageous clergy, but what is needed is for us faithful, orthodoxic, orthopraxic laypeople to speak out more. This pope hates negative press, reviews, and critiques - so … give it to him. Flooding the Vatican with letters would help - since he surrounds himself with sycophants he rewards for tickling his ears.
Can’t say I care too much for the music but I’m from an older generation. On the subject of priest stealing from the faithful and cohabiting with men or women I have this to say:
1- get them out of the parish and take away their priestly rights.
2- publicly correct them
3- they are a scandal to the faithful especially the youth
As for the popes actions toward Cardinal Burke and Bishop Strickland, I am very disappointed in his decision. The German Bishops are another scandal and I can only imagine the pope is allowing such behavior to prevent a worse scandal. I am very concerned about the state of the Church but Jesus isn’t surprised. God has allowed this for a good reason.
You made me chuckle: "The French news magazine Le Point called the film “very anti-French and very pro-British.” I would say it definitely lived up to that promising review."
Despite being of French heritage (I'm considered a Cajun, but my family really emigrated from France, not Acadia), I'm much more of an Anglophile than a Francophile. But, France definitely has it's charms.
Most intelligent, decent thing written about Shane I’ve read so far. Saw his bands many times, even sat next to him once and had a brief, incomprehensible conversation with my graciously uncomfortable hero - when I was young and it mattered most. So happy to hear he died with the rites. Thanks Ed. RIP Shane. You were the best!
I'm not a music oficiando, but I listen to music, for sure. My husband is a musician. At the age of 50, neither of us have heard of Shane, so, I'm sorry, Ed, you're incorrect to assume.
However, JD, you also were wrong to assume Ed's comments on Rupnick needed clarification. I've only heard about him through The Pillar, and I had full understanding of what Ed meant without further explanation.
I question my own sanity that I seem to enjoy the banter between the two of you.
Maybe I should listen more to the voices in my head while enjoying more silence. (Irony not lost on me that y'all have a podcast, which requires one listen to it.)
Happened upon this from John Henry Newman this morning in my spiritual reading:
"O, it is excellent," says the poet, "to have a giant's strength, but tyrannous, to use it like a giant." I think history supplies us with instances in the Church, where legitimate power has been harshly used.
And all those who take the part of that ruling authority will be considered as time-servers, or indifferent to the cause of uprightness and truth; while, on the other hand, the said authority may be supported by a violent ultra party, which exalts opinions into dogmas, and has it principally at heart to destroy every school of thought but its own.
Just getting around to reading this... lovely tribute to Shane, Ed. I was raised on the Pogues. The first concert I ever attended was The Pogues, The Violent Femmes and Mojo Nixon in 1989 at Wolf Trap outside of DC. My parents took me- I was two years old. According to parents, I picked up a cork off the lawn, put it in my mouth and said, “I’m smoking!”.... a different time....
No one was shocked by Shane’s death, but I was certainly saddened. In the post announcing his death, I was happily to surprised however to see that he had reconciled with The Church and received last rites and had a priest with him when he passed. I will certainly keep Shane’s soul in my prayers.
If readers don’t know The Pogues or Shane’s work, certainly listen to the link Ed posted. Also check out “Thousands Are Sailing”, “Haunted By The Ghost”, “A Pair Brown Eyes”, “Sunny Side of the Street”, “Streams of Whiskey.”
I listen to “Thousands Are Sailing” every St. Patrick’s day... it is a beautiful tribute to the experience of Irish people left everything to come to America. Their fears, theirs joys, their hopes and their sorrows.
Beautiful tribute to Shane. Thank you, Ed.
God Bless You Shane❤️
Well, I mean, if Father Pastor says he is faithful to his priestly vows, what else can you do? Documentation otherwise, someone caught living a double life would never lie or mislead.
Priests “cohabiting”? ‘The europhilic love of obfuscatory language is a major part of the problem. ‘ Translation, in plain talking American english: too many Church officials trying to hide evil by talking like silly old women in England.
Priest living with and having sex with others has been (and in many parishes still is) winked at and publicly ignored. This is especially true with heterophobic priests / bishops, who are often joined in covering it up by ‘liberal’ lay people.
My diocese has been riven with this kind of behavior for decades. Those who speak out against it are, at the very least, shunned. And publicly maligned if they continue to speak out against the misbehavior.
The current pope’s actions foster this - rewarding heterodoxic and heteropraxic priests and bishops (Mr. James Martin, Cdl Cupich and Bp McelRoy, for example) while punishing plain speaking prelates and priests for publicly proclaiming orthodox Catholic views.
We’ve got some courageous clergy, but what is needed is for us faithful, orthodoxic, orthopraxic laypeople to speak out more. This pope hates negative press, reviews, and critiques - so … give it to him. Flooding the Vatican with letters would help - since he surrounds himself with sycophants he rewards for tickling his ears.
Thanks for the write up. Going to go listen to The Pogues tonight.
I discovered the Pogues late in life and am a major fan. RIP Shane.
Can’t say I care too much for the music but I’m from an older generation. On the subject of priest stealing from the faithful and cohabiting with men or women I have this to say:
1- get them out of the parish and take away their priestly rights.
2- publicly correct them
3- they are a scandal to the faithful especially the youth
As for the popes actions toward Cardinal Burke and Bishop Strickland, I am very disappointed in his decision. The German Bishops are another scandal and I can only imagine the pope is allowing such behavior to prevent a worse scandal. I am very concerned about the state of the Church but Jesus isn’t surprised. God has allowed this for a good reason.
Great tribute. Otherwise another depressing week in the life of the church.
You made me chuckle: "The French news magazine Le Point called the film “very anti-French and very pro-British.” I would say it definitely lived up to that promising review."
Despite being of French heritage (I'm considered a Cajun, but my family really emigrated from France, not Acadia), I'm much more of an Anglophile than a Francophile. But, France definitely has it's charms.
Most intelligent, decent thing written about Shane I’ve read so far. Saw his bands many times, even sat next to him once and had a brief, incomprehensible conversation with my graciously uncomfortable hero - when I was young and it mattered most. So happy to hear he died with the rites. Thanks Ed. RIP Shane. You were the best!
Ok.
I'm not a music oficiando, but I listen to music, for sure. My husband is a musician. At the age of 50, neither of us have heard of Shane, so, I'm sorry, Ed, you're incorrect to assume.
However, JD, you also were wrong to assume Ed's comments on Rupnick needed clarification. I've only heard about him through The Pillar, and I had full understanding of what Ed meant without further explanation.
I question my own sanity that I seem to enjoy the banter between the two of you.
Maybe I should listen more to the voices in my head while enjoying more silence. (Irony not lost on me that y'all have a podcast, which requires one listen to it.)
Happened upon this from John Henry Newman this morning in my spiritual reading:
"O, it is excellent," says the poet, "to have a giant's strength, but tyrannous, to use it like a giant." I think history supplies us with instances in the Church, where legitimate power has been harshly used.
A few pages later:
And all those who take the part of that ruling authority will be considered as time-servers, or indifferent to the cause of uprightness and truth; while, on the other hand, the said authority may be supported by a violent ultra party, which exalts opinions into dogmas, and has it principally at heart to destroy every school of thought but its own.
(Apologia Pro Vita Sua, VII)
Just getting around to reading this... lovely tribute to Shane, Ed. I was raised on the Pogues. The first concert I ever attended was The Pogues, The Violent Femmes and Mojo Nixon in 1989 at Wolf Trap outside of DC. My parents took me- I was two years old. According to parents, I picked up a cork off the lawn, put it in my mouth and said, “I’m smoking!”.... a different time....
No one was shocked by Shane’s death, but I was certainly saddened. In the post announcing his death, I was happily to surprised however to see that he had reconciled with The Church and received last rites and had a priest with him when he passed. I will certainly keep Shane’s soul in my prayers.
If readers don’t know The Pogues or Shane’s work, certainly listen to the link Ed posted. Also check out “Thousands Are Sailing”, “Haunted By The Ghost”, “A Pair Brown Eyes”, “Sunny Side of the Street”, “Streams of Whiskey.”
I listen to “Thousands Are Sailing” every St. Patrick’s day... it is a beautiful tribute to the experience of Irish people left everything to come to America. Their fears, theirs joys, their hopes and their sorrows.
“Did the old songs taunt or cheer you?
And did they still make you cry?
Did you count the months and years
Or did your teardrops quickly dry?
...In Manhattan's desert twilight
In the death of afternoon
We stepped hand in hand on Broadway
Like the first man on the moon
And a blackbird broke the silence
As you whistled it so sweet
And in Brendan Behan's footsteps
I danced up and down the street.”