There are 100s in the IVE and more in the SSVM. Many in final vows who have given up all personal assets. What of them. The IVE is in desperate need of reform but they shouldn't automatically punish so many for the sins of the founder.
The question, as it was with the LC/RC, is: have the current members been “formed” or “malformed”? If they have been malformed from the get-go, is it possible to undo what has been done?
They can join another order. They can start another order. They can live with another order even if they don't join it. They can become diocesan hermits. They can live their vows in the world as many others do, upon the dissolution of the order or due to leaving it from innocent causes. They can seek dispensation from their vows and return to lay life. They can sell off the order's assets and split it among the members, or the members' new religious orders. There are options.
Perverts are severely disordered. If they set up a religious order, it will also be severely disordered, and disordering to its members. Shutting it down may be more rescue mission than punishment.
I would suspect that joining another order is not so easy. In my limited experience with the Servidoras, many of those women who enter were previously in other orders or consecrated communities. One of the sister even told me that they seem themselves as an “order of mercy,” accepting those who didn’t fit in elsewhere. I myself was discerning with them after leaving another community.
Leaving or being kicked out is a huge cross, and those who end up back in the world don’t always rebound so easily. Reform, even a certain re-founding, would be the ideal first course of action. However, if they are in denial of any need of reform, Church leadership may be left with no other choice.
I had no intention of implying it would be easy. Their founder was a pervert, there are no easy, pain-free solutions for anyone connected with that. There's a reason I suggested a lot of things alongside joining another order, including starting another order. I don't expect that even people from a normal, healthy order would all go to the same place if it were dissolved.
The whole point of setting up a particular structure, rather than just being lay Catholics, or having all religious orders have the same Rule, is that the structure itself will form the members and direct them in certain ways. That makes the structure powerful, for good or ill.
As I understand it, they wrote their own Constitutions (I suspect with input from their founder...), rather than using an existing Rule. At the very least they need a re-founding. But if they are in denial of any need for it, they aren't the right people to do it.
I'd support adopting a simple and easy-to-remember rule:
"If your founder's a perv, your order gets served" [a notice of canonical suppression]
There are 100s in the IVE and more in the SSVM. Many in final vows who have given up all personal assets. What of them. The IVE is in desperate need of reform but they shouldn't automatically punish so many for the sins of the founder.
The question, as it was with the LC/RC, is: have the current members been “formed” or “malformed”? If they have been malformed from the get-go, is it possible to undo what has been done?
They can join another order. They can start another order. They can live with another order even if they don't join it. They can become diocesan hermits. They can live their vows in the world as many others do, upon the dissolution of the order or due to leaving it from innocent causes. They can seek dispensation from their vows and return to lay life. They can sell off the order's assets and split it among the members, or the members' new religious orders. There are options.
Perverts are severely disordered. If they set up a religious order, it will also be severely disordered, and disordering to its members. Shutting it down may be more rescue mission than punishment.
I would suspect that joining another order is not so easy. In my limited experience with the Servidoras, many of those women who enter were previously in other orders or consecrated communities. One of the sister even told me that they seem themselves as an “order of mercy,” accepting those who didn’t fit in elsewhere. I myself was discerning with them after leaving another community.
Leaving or being kicked out is a huge cross, and those who end up back in the world don’t always rebound so easily. Reform, even a certain re-founding, would be the ideal first course of action. However, if they are in denial of any need of reform, Church leadership may be left with no other choice.
I had no intention of implying it would be easy. Their founder was a pervert, there are no easy, pain-free solutions for anyone connected with that. There's a reason I suggested a lot of things alongside joining another order, including starting another order. I don't expect that even people from a normal, healthy order would all go to the same place if it were dissolved.
The whole point of setting up a particular structure, rather than just being lay Catholics, or having all religious orders have the same Rule, is that the structure itself will form the members and direct them in certain ways. That makes the structure powerful, for good or ill.
As I understand it, they wrote their own Constitutions (I suspect with input from their founder...), rather than using an existing Rule. At the very least they need a re-founding. But if they are in denial of any need for it, they aren't the right people to do it.
Still silence on this?
https://open.substack.com/pub/thepillar/p/diocese-mum-on-oversight-of-ive-high?r=wflz8&utm_medium=ios