This all will be reported thusly by the lockstep legacy media. “Germany [with implied but never explicit Papal encouragement] leads all toward an emerging, more enlightened Catholic future. Only retrograde/revanchist American clericalists stand in the way.” Nobody will point out that the Episcopal church already tried this and has cratered.
It was my intent to describe how this will be reported, not to characterize the Pope’s position. Thence the quotation marks in my comment. My apologies for any resulting lack of clarity on my part.
Yes. I haven't followed the mainstream press since they mischaracterized the Pope's comment: Who am I to judge?
The question the reporting left in my mind was whether the members of the press who were with him were too lazy to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church so they could put his comments in their appropriate context, or whether they were too stupid to understand what they read. In neither case were they worth listening to, and I stopped listening to them.
That is a good point. It is said that even the likes of Cardinal Kasper are concerned that the German Church is going too far. I wonder whether that is their real concern.
The St Gallen mafia wanted a new kind of church. They saw that they could not openly declare their aims so they have had to operate in an underhand and dishonest manner. One day asserting traditional values and the next undermining them by their actions. To take one example:
Pope Francis condemns abortion but then allows Biden and Pelosi to assert that in the Popes eyes they are good Catholics in full communion with the Church. The idea was not to declare their endgame but to promote it by stealth.
Now you have the German Church revealing the end game and the St Gallen mafia are horrified that their strategy will be undermined by these revelations.
I am reminded of Bernanos's comment that Hitler wrecked the Devil's plans by implementing them too fast.
I am going to ask St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross to pray for them again. They say that Germans want to be told to read challenging things that were written by a woman in modern times, and want to make amends (through their willing attention to such voices) for past sexism and abuses that has caused a woman to be treated unjustly... Perhaps this would be too challenging, though; I don't know.
If traditionalism means an adherence to the penultimate state of the Church, wouldn't that be the 1970s? Since the traditionalists want to return to the antepenultimate state, or even before that, how does this affect their theory?
By "living tradition" they mean something like "right side of history". It is an attempt to imagine a future Church (which has fully embraced everything they want) which looks back on them as prophets. But you cannot tell if a prophet is a true prophet until their words come to pass. Every false prophet claims that their words will come to pass, but only time will tell. They just want to win the argument by arguing that they are going to win anyway and so we may as well give up.
Quo vadis, Germanorum ecclesia? Reading this summary seems to answer that there is a significant lack of leadership and trust in the power of the Holy Spirit. It reads like a version of Socialist/Communist principles. Jesus didn’t mince words or diminish his “message” just because people had a problem with what He was teaching. I have the feeling that the German bishops have, in the main, abrogated their responsibilities to teach the hard truths with charity, and are unwilling to stand up to the modern day Pharisees of Secular Humanism so ably represented by the “Central Committee of German Catholics.”
This isn't a synod. It's a second reformation. And in such a slow moving, bureaucratic, German way. Just look at that photo. What a crabbed looking group of boomers.
What I don't understand is, if you want to be Protestants, there are a plethora of churches out there for you to join. Why do you want to ruin the Catholic Church with your nonsense?
I still need that button to like the reporting and dislike the information I’m reading.
This all will be reported thusly by the lockstep legacy media. “Germany [with implied but never explicit Papal encouragement] leads all toward an emerging, more enlightened Catholic future. Only retrograde/revanchist American clericalists stand in the way.” Nobody will point out that the Episcopal church already tried this and has cratered.
No, the Pope told them not to do this and they ignored him.
It was my intent to describe how this will be reported, not to characterize the Pope’s position. Thence the quotation marks in my comment. My apologies for any resulting lack of clarity on my part.
Yes. I haven't followed the mainstream press since they mischaracterized the Pope's comment: Who am I to judge?
The question the reporting left in my mind was whether the members of the press who were with him were too lazy to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church so they could put his comments in their appropriate context, or whether they were too stupid to understand what they read. In neither case were they worth listening to, and I stopped listening to them.
Both lazy and stupid, IMHO.
At least they have the courage to be open heretics, I guess. Better that than the squishes so common over here.
That is a good point. It is said that even the likes of Cardinal Kasper are concerned that the German Church is going too far. I wonder whether that is their real concern.
The St Gallen mafia wanted a new kind of church. They saw that they could not openly declare their aims so they have had to operate in an underhand and dishonest manner. One day asserting traditional values and the next undermining them by their actions. To take one example:
Pope Francis condemns abortion but then allows Biden and Pelosi to assert that in the Popes eyes they are good Catholics in full communion with the Church. The idea was not to declare their endgame but to promote it by stealth.
Now you have the German Church revealing the end game and the St Gallen mafia are horrified that their strategy will be undermined by these revelations.
I am reminded of Bernanos's comment that Hitler wrecked the Devil's plans by implementing them too fast.
I am going to ask St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross to pray for them again. They say that Germans want to be told to read challenging things that were written by a woman in modern times, and want to make amends (through their willing attention to such voices) for past sexism and abuses that has caused a woman to be treated unjustly... Perhaps this would be too challenging, though; I don't know.
Challenging, yes. But I doubt it would scratch the itch in their ears.
If traditionalism means an adherence to the penultimate state of the Church, wouldn't that be the 1970s? Since the traditionalists want to return to the antepenultimate state, or even before that, how does this affect their theory?
By "living tradition" they mean something like "right side of history". It is an attempt to imagine a future Church (which has fully embraced everything they want) which looks back on them as prophets. But you cannot tell if a prophet is a true prophet until their words come to pass. Every false prophet claims that their words will come to pass, but only time will tell. They just want to win the argument by arguing that they are going to win anyway and so we may as well give up.
Quo vadis, Germanorum ecclesia? Reading this summary seems to answer that there is a significant lack of leadership and trust in the power of the Holy Spirit. It reads like a version of Socialist/Communist principles. Jesus didn’t mince words or diminish his “message” just because people had a problem with what He was teaching. I have the feeling that the German bishops have, in the main, abrogated their responsibilities to teach the hard truths with charity, and are unwilling to stand up to the modern day Pharisees of Secular Humanism so ably represented by the “Central Committee of German Catholics.”
This isn't a synod. It's a second reformation. And in such a slow moving, bureaucratic, German way. Just look at that photo. What a crabbed looking group of boomers.
I truly wish that the German bishops would just pack up and leave the Catholic Church, taking their nonsensical ideas with them.
What I don't understand is, if you want to be Protestants, there are a plethora of churches out there for you to join. Why do you want to ruin the Catholic Church with your nonsense?