I know I shouldn't care about how the Vatican chooses to spend its money, but I just have to ask what is the value being received from these meetings after meetings and sessions after sessions? What good is it doing towards the Church's mission of saving souls? What outcomes?
The value of the meeting is to allow the Holy Spirit through members of the human community to share in the needs of the body His Church. After 10,000 meetings, the church will move slowly as it always has even if we were 10 meetings. We want that. Don’t forget that. Because if it moves too fast, there could be human errors within. Faith seeking understanding includes listening. m
The Vatican gets its money from you, so I don't see why you shouldn't care. Dioceses tax parishes based on their offeratory amounts, and send contributions to the Vatican. A little under 25% of the Vatican's funding comes from the US, although I don't know how much of that is via diocesan giving vs. individual giving.
The implementation... of what exactly? What are "orientations of the synod" (I hesitate to speculate what certain synod boosters' favorite "orientation" might be...) What are churches supposed to "receive"? It couldn't possibly be the case that the "study groups" would magically come back with recommendations that lady deacons, inter-communion with protestants, and that the sixth commandment is outdated must be "received" as part of the "ordinary magisterium" that covers synodality like a blanket pardon covers the family members of the powerful, would it?
There's a decent chance Pope Francis doesn't make it to the end of 2025 as Pope, let alone 2028. I think the survival of this project, at least in its current form, will depend heavily on who is Pope then.
.......Cardinal Grech's quotes read like a corporate business jargon email. Sounds like they'll keep planning these meetings until they figure out why they're meeting.
Very curious to see if this "process" continues at all should Pope Francis pass away before 2028 (I hope that doesn't sound insensitive; I don't mean for it to).
Is the Holy Father healthy enough to actually be making these decisions himself? This seems like a repeat of the Biden autopen in use while the principal is unaware situation.
I agree completely, I wonder who is really making the decisions in the Vatican. God knows Cardinal Cupich and Tobin are chomping at the bit to take the seat. If that happens buckle up it's gonna get a lot worse.
I hav tried to remain open to the workings of the Spirit regarding Synodality. Personally,I have involved myself in as much as possible. HOWEVER- the ho-hum enthusiasm of clergy in our diocese and in several others makes me wonder. We have priests who do not support Francis and who do not support anything he proposes. The concept is great but the actual participation has been minimal if any. Our parish is one of the largest in the country.We had one bulletin announcement and one meeting where 68 people out of 30,000 attended. The report sent back from the diocese would make one think we were a model. Everything was wonderful. Who are we kidding here? I wish we could have a synod on TRUTH.
are you alluding to the Holy smoke (cloud) of his presence as written in the Old Testament and the mirror of reflection as written by the many mystics of the Church? m
The push for synodality does not seem very synodal.
How many of the Catholic lay faithful are demanding "I want more synodality in my Church"? It seems like synodality is a pet issue of a certain group of prelates who are, at best, imposing it in a top-down manner. A truly "listening Church" would understand that low synodal participation rates (1% per CNA in 2023) show synodality is low on the faithful's priority list, no?
I know I shouldn't care about how the Vatican chooses to spend its money, but I just have to ask what is the value being received from these meetings after meetings and sessions after sessions? What good is it doing towards the Church's mission of saving souls? What outcomes?
As I recall, the entire point of the meetings is to discuss the value of those meetings.
They synodally synod about synodality and how best to synodalize.
Sounds like a Seinfeld episode
The value of the meeting is to allow the Holy Spirit through members of the human community to share in the needs of the body His Church. After 10,000 meetings, the church will move slowly as it always has even if we were 10 meetings. We want that. Don’t forget that. Because if it moves too fast, there could be human errors within. Faith seeking understanding includes listening. m
I don’t know, given the other pillar pieces on the finances of the Vatican, maybe someone should care how they spend their money 🤷🏽♀️
The Vatican gets its money from you, so I don't see why you shouldn't care. Dioceses tax parishes based on their offeratory amounts, and send contributions to the Vatican. A little under 25% of the Vatican's funding comes from the US, although I don't know how much of that is via diocesan giving vs. individual giving.
“Saving souls?” meme.
The implementation... of what exactly? What are "orientations of the synod" (I hesitate to speculate what certain synod boosters' favorite "orientation" might be...) What are churches supposed to "receive"? It couldn't possibly be the case that the "study groups" would magically come back with recommendations that lady deacons, inter-communion with protestants, and that the sixth commandment is outdated must be "received" as part of the "ordinary magisterium" that covers synodality like a blanket pardon covers the family members of the powerful, would it?
Maybe the phrasing is a sly preview of plans to reinstate the liturgical norm of celebrating “ad orientem”?
A man surely can dream!
The synodality will continue until morale improves...
Just when you thought it was safe to sell the round tables.
The way I laughed all the way out loud reading this 😆😆😆
You have to hand it to these guys. What synodality lacks in having a clear purpose, they make up for by endlessly searching for one.
Hahaha - I was trying to think of a way to express this. I know exactly what you mean!!!
Beat me to it!
Lord, make it stop.
Aidan, what precisely would you like to stop? The terminology or the irony of the terminology? ContinualMeetings will always kill us in the end. m
There's a decent chance Pope Francis doesn't make it to the end of 2025 as Pope, let alone 2028. I think the survival of this project, at least in its current form, will depend heavily on who is Pope then.
In that scenario, the next conclave will be postponed until the synodal process is complete.
Don't give them ideas...
they’re probably not listening to this idea. m
Cardinal Becciu is…
.......Cardinal Grech's quotes read like a corporate business jargon email. Sounds like they'll keep planning these meetings until they figure out why they're meeting.
No, corporate business jargon emails, while a bit programmatic, still convey a legitimate objective : )
Very curious to see if this "process" continues at all should Pope Francis pass away before 2028 (I hope that doesn't sound insensitive; I don't mean for it to).
For God so loved the world, He did not send a committee.
it’s either the 12 apostles and their descendants or the two witnesses dressed in white. m
It's telling that the virtues of this whole thing are a laundry list of "firsts" - as if novelty is a good in itself?
Is the Holy Father healthy enough to actually be making these decisions himself? This seems like a repeat of the Biden autopen in use while the principal is unaware situation.
I agree completely, I wonder who is really making the decisions in the Vatican. God knows Cardinal Cupich and Tobin are chomping at the bit to take the seat. If that happens buckle up it's gonna get a lot worse.
I hav tried to remain open to the workings of the Spirit regarding Synodality. Personally,I have involved myself in as much as possible. HOWEVER- the ho-hum enthusiasm of clergy in our diocese and in several others makes me wonder. We have priests who do not support Francis and who do not support anything he proposes. The concept is great but the actual participation has been minimal if any. Our parish is one of the largest in the country.We had one bulletin announcement and one meeting where 68 people out of 30,000 attended. The report sent back from the diocese would make one think we were a model. Everything was wonderful. Who are we kidding here? I wish we could have a synod on TRUTH.
Smoke and mirrors.
are you alluding to the Holy smoke (cloud) of his presence as written in the Old Testament and the mirror of reflection as written by the many mystics of the Church? m
unfortunately, quite the opposite.
you see – – that’s funny
Not too much interest here in God. And since when is the Pope "the principle [arche?] of unity in the Church"? Sign, maybe, but "principle"?
I read this and had to check my phone to make sure it wasn't April 1st yet.
The push for synodality does not seem very synodal.
How many of the Catholic lay faithful are demanding "I want more synodality in my Church"? It seems like synodality is a pet issue of a certain group of prelates who are, at best, imposing it in a top-down manner. A truly "listening Church" would understand that low synodal participation rates (1% per CNA in 2023) show synodality is low on the faithful's priority list, no?
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