I’ve noticed that in the history of the church’s more famous episcopal episodes, they almost ALL involve a line being drawn in the sand or someone willing to put the cards on the table. I wish the members of the American episcopate might see something similar in the John Fisher episode. The only times that we speak about veiled disagreements, struggles for superficial unity, and halfhearted words about collegiality among bishops are the ones that we ridicule, where the saintly bishops said enough is enough.
Ottaviani famously quipped the only truly collegial act of the apostles was their fleeing at the Passion.
One thing we certainly don't need is superficial unity. It's both dishonest and counterproductive. All it does is build resentment. But I still hope they can keep their disagreements at the level of ideas rather than personal attack
"Barber said that while McElroy opposes abortion, the cardinal-elect apparently thinks “it’s not wrong enough that you need say or do anything about it [...]""
I'm aware of that, thank you. All I was aiming to establish is that Bishop Barber was incorrect to say that McElroy doesn't think you need to say or do anything about the issue of abortion, as in the video I linked, McElroy does in fact say things about it, and proposes to others that they should also do and say things in connection to it.
Here's an (mostly uninformed, probably ;) opinion on the USCCB friction: the USCCB's "collegiality" largely mirrors the US laity's "liberality" struggles. That is, as the US descends further into modes of anti-universal mores, dragging the "faithful" Christian populace along with it, so too the bishops' spectra of responses to anti-Christian behaviors of their flocks widen and diverge, essentially causing/exposing their friction. You can buy into this viewpoint without any dependence on pre-/post-Vatican II takes, and I think this makes such an opinion more compelling. Anyway, if this reflects reality, I suspect all the retreats in the world will not have the intended effect on the USCCB. If unity is the goal, it likely begins with unity of purpose (aka in Catholic circles, our "calling", or "mission").
I’ve noticed that in the history of the church’s more famous episcopal episodes, they almost ALL involve a line being drawn in the sand or someone willing to put the cards on the table. I wish the members of the American episcopate might see something similar in the John Fisher episode. The only times that we speak about veiled disagreements, struggles for superficial unity, and halfhearted words about collegiality among bishops are the ones that we ridicule, where the saintly bishops said enough is enough.
Ottaviani famously quipped the only truly collegial act of the apostles was their fleeing at the Passion.
One thing we certainly don't need is superficial unity. It's both dishonest and counterproductive. All it does is build resentment. But I still hope they can keep their disagreements at the level of ideas rather than personal attack
"Barber said that while McElroy opposes abortion, the cardinal-elect apparently thinks “it’s not wrong enough that you need say or do anything about it [...]""
What's this then?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXszu7BW8YQ
Seems like Bishop Barber is misinformed.
I'm aware of that, thank you. All I was aiming to establish is that Bishop Barber was incorrect to say that McElroy doesn't think you need to say or do anything about the issue of abortion, as in the video I linked, McElroy does in fact say things about it, and proposes to others that they should also do and say things in connection to it.
Here's an (mostly uninformed, probably ;) opinion on the USCCB friction: the USCCB's "collegiality" largely mirrors the US laity's "liberality" struggles. That is, as the US descends further into modes of anti-universal mores, dragging the "faithful" Christian populace along with it, so too the bishops' spectra of responses to anti-Christian behaviors of their flocks widen and diverge, essentially causing/exposing their friction. You can buy into this viewpoint without any dependence on pre-/post-Vatican II takes, and I think this makes such an opinion more compelling. Anyway, if this reflects reality, I suspect all the retreats in the world will not have the intended effect on the USCCB. If unity is the goal, it likely begins with unity of purpose (aka in Catholic circles, our "calling", or "mission").
An article on episcopal collegiality that makes numerous references to Tupac: this is the kind of reporting we know and love from The Pillar!
The buried lede here is that a Jesuit is sticking up for the pro-life legacy of John Paul II.