"He's [Cardinal Pierre] everything you want a nuncio to be so that's what made it all the more jarring.... Yeah, and I think that's what made it all the more jarring to have him [inaudible] All those people who smile and shake hands with the guy - "They're all Trads who, you know, like cassocks. Where did that come from?""
Ed is talking as if being a Traditionalist is a slur, which is not cool (even if the show is).
I think I agree on the comedy, but if it were a couple of atheists talking under similar circumstances who instead inserted the word "Catholic," I think I would be inclined to feel that an insult was intended, at least without a note of explanation to immediately follow. The word "Trad" was used as a "someone else" here who was not considered by the speaker to be the equal of the speaker.
I agree that is a likely interpretation, but then the accompanying laugh and the failure to point out how such a viewpoint from the cardinal is inappropriate gives an impression that the viewpoint is, to some extent, shared. If Ed really thought that the Cardinal was making derogatory views on another identifiable group (e.g., some other religion or race), wouldn't the show have come to a grinding standstill to analyze those appalling beliefs? However, since the supposed denigration is at the expense of Traditionalists, the show appears to let it slide without direct comment. I hope I am not being unfair here, though admittedly the show went to commercial almost immediately thereafter.
You all are great, and I don't identify myself as a Traditionalist, but the editorial comment (or glaring lack thereof, depending how you parse it) just seemed like a cheap jibe against a faithful community amongst whom I count some good friends.
This show is what it is. Your interpretation is incorrect, but I hear your concern.
But you have to take that singular moment of the show in the context of the hundreds of hours of discussion we've actually had about that topic and related topics.
This was a great episode; it sounded like you all had a lot of fun! So many great lines here…
"He's [Cardinal Pierre] everything you want a nuncio to be so that's what made it all the more jarring.... Yeah, and I think that's what made it all the more jarring to have him [inaudible] All those people who smile and shake hands with the guy - "They're all Trads who, you know, like cassocks. Where did that come from?""
Ed is talking as if being a Traditionalist is a slur, which is not cool (even if the show is).
I think I agree on the comedy, but if it were a couple of atheists talking under similar circumstances who instead inserted the word "Catholic," I think I would be inclined to feel that an insult was intended, at least without a note of explanation to immediately follow. The word "Trad" was used as a "someone else" here who was not considered by the speaker to be the equal of the speaker.
I think you misunderstand. Ed is representing his sense of the cardinal's views.
I agree that is a likely interpretation, but then the accompanying laugh and the failure to point out how such a viewpoint from the cardinal is inappropriate gives an impression that the viewpoint is, to some extent, shared. If Ed really thought that the Cardinal was making derogatory views on another identifiable group (e.g., some other religion or race), wouldn't the show have come to a grinding standstill to analyze those appalling beliefs? However, since the supposed denigration is at the expense of Traditionalists, the show appears to let it slide without direct comment. I hope I am not being unfair here, though admittedly the show went to commercial almost immediately thereafter.
You all are great, and I don't identify myself as a Traditionalist, but the editorial comment (or glaring lack thereof, depending how you parse it) just seemed like a cheap jibe against a faithful community amongst whom I count some good friends.
This show is what it is. Your interpretation is incorrect, but I hear your concern.
But you have to take that singular moment of the show in the context of the hundreds of hours of discussion we've actually had about that topic and related topics.
I am glad to hear that I am wrong.
This was an excellent episode, and that’s coming from someone who usually loathes live episodes of podcasts. Keep up the good work!
How can one get their hands on these JD Flynn stickers?
https://www.teepublic.com/user/the-pillar/stickers