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My main question is, why would the Roman Chancery publish something that heavily conflicts with what the Vatican and the Jesuits have released? If there are certain officials in Rome who think silence is golden on all internal matters in the Church, especially dirty ones, why was this published?

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Sep 19, 2023·edited Sep 19, 2023

"internationally feted religious artist"

More like fetid, amiright?

"used his artistic process to groom and sexually abuse religious sisters over a period of decades."

Smells foul to me. Yet he hasn't only not been laicized, but half-heartedly dismissed from the Jesuit order with Rome trying to gaslight the laity that it was really the big, bad, medias fault. Le sigh.

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These people in Rome make a mockery of canon law. If you are in the SJ club you get to do anything you like. If you’re not, you are banished. There will never be justice or even fairness with these people.

If there were any of Rupnik’s evil mosaics anywhere near me I would take a hammer to them.

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Sep 19, 2023·edited Sep 19, 2023

I’m “disoriented” on this topic for sure, but not by media scrutiny.

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There's no justice. There's never any justice, just power and patronage. Thieves and perverts covering for other thieves and perverts.

No justice for McCarrick, for Mahoney, for Rupnik, for Zanchetta, for Bransfield, for Becciu, for Hubbard, for Hoeppner, or any of the many many others.

No justice this side of the grave.

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I think it's abundantly clear that over two decades after the revelation of "Spotlight," the Church does not take sexual abuse seriously and that lack of seriousness about the allegations rise to the very top. This whitewash of the Fr. Rupnik affair is galling and shockingly tone-deaf ... but, par for the course for what we've come to expect. And this latest leaves one with a truly uncomfortable choice, either +de Donatis went rogue here or he did so with the guidance of the Pope - I'm not sure which one is actually worse if true.

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I think it is important to understand that the caricature of someone accused of what Fr. Rupnik is accused is that they are very "smooth" socially, usually very hidden in their abuse and usually very successfully at a superficial level socially.

Second, Father Rupnik apparently has achieved much success in getting his artwork praised and accepted internationally, which would make allying with him attractive to many, especially those seeking power socially.

For me, most troubling is that it appears that the investigation was completed and is definite in verifying the abuse. This supposedly thorough investigation (I was not there) is difficult to do and not a popular thing when the accused has much social status. Bravo to the investigators for their courage.

The bottom line appears to be that Father Rupnik has achieved great power socially. Holding him accountable will take much courage, which appears lacking.

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As Abp Vigano said today, Rupnik illustrates the raison d'etre of this pontificate: "if you are a heretic, corrupt, pervert, thief, sacrilegious, and serial predator, but you are Bergoglio’s friend, you enjoy total impunity." In our heart, we all know that this accusation is true.

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I saw one of the Italian blogs claim that Rupnik was a mentor and "spiritual father" to Donatis. Would be interested in some reporting on whether there is any reality behind that claim.

If I understand correctly, when the Vicariate refers to "seriously anomalous procedures" leading to the request for excommunication, it is talking about something that would have been part of the investigation by the CDF/DDF. Is that correct?

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Hi. Canon law question. From prior reporting and from the podcast it seems clear that Ed and JD at least believe Rupnik had is excommunication lifted too quickly. From what I understand excommunication is considered a medicinal penalty: a person is excommunicated, then they repent, and then they are brought back into the Church.

So is the problem that Rupnik only received excommunication or that said excommunication was quickly lifted? If the latter, what is the usual course of action for someone excommunicated that immediately repents? Can the church refuse to lift the excommunication?

Don't get me wrong: I hate Rupnik's art and I don't like him as a person. Just curious as to how excommunication would work in a case like this.

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I want each and every one of these Vatican officials who apparently have never met a normal, practicing, faithful Catholic, to listen to approximately one of us and to hear the absolute fury we have for how these abusers are coddled, mollified, and enabled. This is all so absolutely disgusting it's hard to know where to begin, but for them to have the gumption to state things like this publicly is such a sign that not one single thing has changed in the hierarchy from the abuse crisis. There may not be earthly justice, but the millstones will be astronomically large for these men.

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This isn’t heartbreaking... it’s flat out demoralizing.

I believe with my whole heart that the Catholic Church is the true church founded by Christ himself. But jeez... it is run by some of the most terrible people on earth.

I was born a Catholic from an Irish and Italian family with Catholics going as far back as the family tree goes. I didn’t really have a choice in the matter. Thankfully, as an adult, I still believe and practice. But if I were thinking about converting... why would anyone join an organization as corrupt as this. Just makes me sick.

The mission of the Church is to save souls. Not counting the victims of abuse (of which there are countless), how many people have just turned away from the Church because of this never ending crap. I’m now 35 years old, married with kids. This scandal has been going on since I was freshman in high school! Every time the leadership of the church seems to get it together, another cover up happens.

Two steps forward, one step back. They just don’t get it... worse, at this point, they don’t even seem to care. They know we are pissed, but they also know there is nothing we can do. Disgusting.

Rant over.

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Oh dear, did someone dare to question the mainstream narrative and its forgone conclusions? Whatever will we do...

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The worst thing about this situation is that the members of Centro Aletti wouldn't talk about any problems they and their members have had with Rupnik with the Church officials sent to investigate. The situation has all the trappings of a cult where the leader is everything and the normal members are nothing. Given his history of abuse and refusal to obey those in authority over him, I can't imagine how this is going to end well.

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The only thing that matters is that Rupnik has the pontiff's favor.

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