I have never been so disgusted in my life as to see what has happened following the McCarrick scandal. Whuerl and Cupich were both well known as McCarrick allies and it's their ideas for investigating that won out. Rome shut down any actual reform. The whole situation with the money and influence was never seriously questioned or investigated. Farrell has seen his career unaccountably rise when he should be disgraced. I assume either to keep him quiet or because Rome has enough dirt on him to be able to manipulate him.
We know for a fact that McCarrick had some kind of network bought through his fundraising and influence and this has never been discussed with any seriousness by the bishop's. The whole thing is beyond disgraceful and it would be a very stupid man who would trust the bishop's on any matter at this point. They have entirely lost any credibility to lead and guide the Church.
"the bishops would likely face little pushback from the Holy See if they simply committed to greater public disclosure of Vos estis investigations and their conclusions."
The problem with Vox Estis and all other "solutions" is that they are "system" solutions to a "people" problem. The problem isn't primarily a bad system: the problem is bad people.
As someone who’s spent a lot of time of this, I agree, with one exception. The “system” as it now operates protects bad bishops, or at least bishops that do bad things. To appeal the action of the bishop takes years, on many cases, and even then the bishop’s authority and the presumption of his impeccable judgment is always the fallback position. In the meantime there are people suffering that continue to suffer, and who many times just give up and walk away.
I don’t know how you guys dig into this depressing stuff everyday. I keep hoping that someday a floodlight will get turned on in this alley and we can see all the rats. I don’t even care if people get away with misdeeds - as long as it gets them away.
It seems naive to think that "Nighty-night Baby" Tobin will ever come clean about the complicity of bishops in McCarrick's predatory and abusive behavior. He seems to be cut from the same cloth himself, and the lavender mafia never turns on it's own unless forced to do so by media pressure, and the media would rather this go away, since it was also the New York Times that covered for McCarrick, as Rod Dreher has reported.
I truly do not know what it will take for people to see the ecclesial criminality to what has been and is still going on with our hierarchy. Bishops have too much power. They are not infallible except in their own eyes. This VOS ESTES is ok in theory but try to put it in action! We have tried in our diocese and the time involved in getting responses is ludicrous. So it’s on the books but will take FOREVER.Who is kidding whom? The faithful but specifically priests are put at risk because I’d some bishop with a bee under his red hat has it in for one of them,that priest is in limbo for the duration of that bishops REIGN. Dioceses,parishes,communities and individuals are at risk. In what other venue would folks put up with this? Outside of the Pope what are our options? I give up.God help us all!
I feel there is an elephant in the room that, perhaps, JD did not feel he could appropriately approach in the article (and understandably so). Are Wilton and Farrel so loath to be transparent because it will incriminate them? And, as was alluded to in the article, a significant portion of the current US episcopate? I honestly can't see another valid reason for their hesitancy.
Regarding the reason of ongoing investigations given by Farrel (i think): presumably they'll have to release all that information to the authorities anyways, what difference does it make if they just make it publicly available first? ...unless they're hoping to hide some of it entirely?
Amén, brother!
Whoops! Well then: Amen, sister!!!
lol. you're right.
I have never been so disgusted in my life as to see what has happened following the McCarrick scandal. Whuerl and Cupich were both well known as McCarrick allies and it's their ideas for investigating that won out. Rome shut down any actual reform. The whole situation with the money and influence was never seriously questioned or investigated. Farrell has seen his career unaccountably rise when he should be disgraced. I assume either to keep him quiet or because Rome has enough dirt on him to be able to manipulate him.
We know for a fact that McCarrick had some kind of network bought through his fundraising and influence and this has never been discussed with any seriousness by the bishop's. The whole thing is beyond disgraceful and it would be a very stupid man who would trust the bishop's on any matter at this point. They have entirely lost any credibility to lead and guide the Church.
Farrell was also close to Marcial Maciel. The whole thing stinks.
Card. Farrell was a member of the Legionaries of Christ.
"the bishops would likely face little pushback from the Holy See if they simply committed to greater public disclosure of Vos estis investigations and their conclusions."
This is an optimistic take.
The problem with Vox Estis and all other "solutions" is that they are "system" solutions to a "people" problem. The problem isn't primarily a bad system: the problem is bad people.
As someone who’s spent a lot of time of this, I agree, with one exception. The “system” as it now operates protects bad bishops, or at least bishops that do bad things. To appeal the action of the bishop takes years, on many cases, and even then the bishop’s authority and the presumption of his impeccable judgment is always the fallback position. In the meantime there are people suffering that continue to suffer, and who many times just give up and walk away.
I don’t know how you guys dig into this depressing stuff everyday. I keep hoping that someday a floodlight will get turned on in this alley and we can see all the rats. I don’t even care if people get away with misdeeds - as long as it gets them away.
Saint Pius V twice (Cum Premium, 1566 and Horrendum illud scelus, 1568) ordered the death penalty for perverted clergy like McCarrick. Just saying...
It seems naive to think that "Nighty-night Baby" Tobin will ever come clean about the complicity of bishops in McCarrick's predatory and abusive behavior. He seems to be cut from the same cloth himself, and the lavender mafia never turns on it's own unless forced to do so by media pressure, and the media would rather this go away, since it was also the New York Times that covered for McCarrick, as Rod Dreher has reported.
I truly do not know what it will take for people to see the ecclesial criminality to what has been and is still going on with our hierarchy. Bishops have too much power. They are not infallible except in their own eyes. This VOS ESTES is ok in theory but try to put it in action! We have tried in our diocese and the time involved in getting responses is ludicrous. So it’s on the books but will take FOREVER.Who is kidding whom? The faithful but specifically priests are put at risk because I’d some bishop with a bee under his red hat has it in for one of them,that priest is in limbo for the duration of that bishops REIGN. Dioceses,parishes,communities and individuals are at risk. In what other venue would folks put up with this? Outside of the Pope what are our options? I give up.God help us all!
I feel there is an elephant in the room that, perhaps, JD did not feel he could appropriately approach in the article (and understandably so). Are Wilton and Farrel so loath to be transparent because it will incriminate them? And, as was alluded to in the article, a significant portion of the current US episcopate? I honestly can't see another valid reason for their hesitancy.
Regarding the reason of ongoing investigations given by Farrel (i think): presumably they'll have to release all that information to the authorities anyways, what difference does it make if they just make it publicly available first? ...unless they're hoping to hide some of it entirely?