I'm a little taken aback that two journalists state that the pope shouldn't give interviews with the press. Hard disagree. Francis' problematic statements notwithstanding.
Appreciated JD bringing up the problems of massive masses in which participation is largely through video feed. I've been to the preMarch for Life mass in the Basilica and sat in the basement crypt watching it on closed circuit TV. During COVID I often wondered what was the real difference between that and watching a YouTube mass such that the former "counted" for the Sunday obligation without needing a dispensation and the other did not.
So, I know Ed kind of makes the point that the personal prelature changes seem aimed directly at Opus Dei since they’re the only one in existence, but this all raises the question for me of whether the personal prelature model would be appropriate for other clerical groups in the Church. I’ve recently worked a lot with an ecclesial movement that has begun to ordain priests for their movement. Currently though, these priests are incardinated in a diocese and an agreement is drawn up between the movement and the diocese so that the priest can live out the spirituality of the movement and serve its members and mission. This might work, but doesn’t seem ideal. Could the personal prelature model possibly be a fit for something like this (or say, NeoCat priests, etc)? How do you read the canon regarding the particular mission to which these priests are dedicated? Would serving the members and mission of an ecclesial movement fit into this, or is it meant to be more “ad gentes”?
On the whole Opus Dei thing, it seems like they simply need to be structured as an ecclesial movement or public association of the faithful (then the priests alone would belong to the prelature, with the particular mission of caring for the members). It would be interesting to learn what about the ecclesial movement model “doesn’t fit” for Opus Dei. From your reporting, it sounds like they’ve pushed back on this before. As someone who has a great love for Opus Dei and has worked closely with its members, the personal prelature thing has never made sense, less so now, learning that it’s only intended for clerics...
I decided after 9 months not to join the Lay Missionaries of Charity because I an unwilling to pray the hours. It is extremely repetitive and I would rather spend my time reading a broader range of material.
I'm a little taken aback that two journalists state that the pope shouldn't give interviews with the press. Hard disagree. Francis' problematic statements notwithstanding.
With the exception of ourselves, we really don’t trust the media. :-)
And here I thought the concern was not trusting Francis to avoid a media kerfuffle. ;|
Appreciated JD bringing up the problems of massive masses in which participation is largely through video feed. I've been to the preMarch for Life mass in the Basilica and sat in the basement crypt watching it on closed circuit TV. During COVID I often wondered what was the real difference between that and watching a YouTube mass such that the former "counted" for the Sunday obligation without needing a dispensation and the other did not.
My understanding is that real time watching counts and watching something that was recorded earlier doesn't count.
So, I know Ed kind of makes the point that the personal prelature changes seem aimed directly at Opus Dei since they’re the only one in existence, but this all raises the question for me of whether the personal prelature model would be appropriate for other clerical groups in the Church. I’ve recently worked a lot with an ecclesial movement that has begun to ordain priests for their movement. Currently though, these priests are incardinated in a diocese and an agreement is drawn up between the movement and the diocese so that the priest can live out the spirituality of the movement and serve its members and mission. This might work, but doesn’t seem ideal. Could the personal prelature model possibly be a fit for something like this (or say, NeoCat priests, etc)? How do you read the canon regarding the particular mission to which these priests are dedicated? Would serving the members and mission of an ecclesial movement fit into this, or is it meant to be more “ad gentes”?
On the whole Opus Dei thing, it seems like they simply need to be structured as an ecclesial movement or public association of the faithful (then the priests alone would belong to the prelature, with the particular mission of caring for the members). It would be interesting to learn what about the ecclesial movement model “doesn’t fit” for Opus Dei. From your reporting, it sounds like they’ve pushed back on this before. As someone who has a great love for Opus Dei and has worked closely with its members, the personal prelature thing has never made sense, less so now, learning that it’s only intended for clerics...
@JDFLYNN https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/on-liturgical-norms-for-the-neocatechumenal-way-4286
I decided after 9 months not to join the Lay Missionaries of Charity because I an unwilling to pray the hours. It is extremely repetitive and I would rather spend my time reading a broader range of material.